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offender. tonight, what today s verdict does and does not mean about the rule of law in america. everyone is saying, where is hunter? a two-tiered system of justice we have. and how we campaign led by a convict is vetting potential running mates. certainly like having committed a crime and the scandal that just won t end. i want a sacred heart of jesus flag because i have to look across the lagoon at the pride flag. tonight jamie raskin and aoc together on their push to get answers from the supreme court. can you tell us how the supreme court and specifically the chief justice have addressed these scandals? when all in starts right now. good evening from new york. i am chris hayes. in a political era marked by a never-ending string of historic firsts, here is another today. a rare court decision that conservatives received with glee. hunter biden has been found guilty on all counts in his gun trial, federal trial in wilmington, delaware. hunter biden, the last living son of the sitting president was convicted today on three felony counts connected to lying on a federal firearms application in 2018 by not disclosing his struggles with drug addiction. he had that gun for 11 days. hunter biden now faces 25 years in prison and his father, president joe biden, did not blast the case as a crooked witchhunt. he did not target the prosecutors, the judge and the jurors, some of whom called into major news shows to discuss the verdict with no fears for their safety in this high-profile case. president biden did not shake his fist at the justice system. he put up this statement. as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad. jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction understand the feeling of pride. as i also said last week, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. i have to say i find that genuinely touching. his love of family. also respect of the process. it is an incredibly stark contrast to the ceaseless barrage of absolutely unhinged authoritarian histrionics we all witnessed last month. remember? not just donald trump, but the entire republican party. all of the people dressing up like donald trump who went to the courthouse so he will pick them to be vice president. all of them basically calling to tear down the entire judicial system or casting aspersions on new york jurors or the judge or the prosecutor. everyone. all because their nominee got caught falsifying business records and was convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers on 34 felony counts. this was a rigged trial by a convicted judge who was corrupt. a disgrace. this is like a soviet style thing. show me the person and i will show you the crime. this was a political smear job. this is what you see in banana republics. this is the most outrageous travesty i ve ever seen. this is a justice system that hunts republicans while protecting democrats. this was a hoax, a sham. do we want to become a country where we try to jail are political opponents? what do you think the party affiliation of hunter biden is? and so this hunter biden conviction is as clear a moment of contrast as possible between the two major coalitions, the major parties in the country today. what it illustrates is that one party, under donald trump, and this is important, has placed itself outside the american constitutional order, while the other is trying to defend and uphold it. that was clear as day on january 6, but particularly in the aftermath there was palpable were among republicans. lots of them talking about how horrified they were and resigning from the administration and all of that. and there was a sense the party wanted to distance themselves from trump s lawlessness. that was then. today they are fully united as a party in opposition to the constitution. an attitude by one of the most powerful conservatives you ve never heard of. he wrote portions of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch and a trump presidency. the washington post identified him as a potential chief of staff. he lays out his vision for a post-constitutional presidency to turn the government into a flatly authoritarian project or failing that, just a mafia style. disease more control of the justice department and assert power to withhold congressional appropriations and that is just on trump s first day back in office. meanwhile democrats are not just making statements of faith, they have taken real actions to preserve those institutions and their independence. no better example of this is the prosecution of hunter biden. remember how this started? okay, back in 2018 under david weiss, the u.s. attorney trump appointed in delaware, the fbi probed hunter biden. there were subpoenas, but there were no charges and remember, trump grew angry that his justice department had not publicized the investigation into his opponents son during the 2020 election. after trump lost the election, republicans insisted president biden would obstruct justice to keep his son free and they called for a special counsel to investigate. when a new president comes and it is his right to replace any u.s. attorney they want. they usually do. biden replaced all of trump s appointees except for two. who bill barr had test to investigate the russia probe. and david weiss, who was investigating his own son. that is because the new president, at the pains of a possible criminal conviction of his surviving son in recovery, wanted no appearance of impropriety or interference and infect biden s attorney general merrick garland went a step further and appointed weiss as special counsel to make sure his work on the hunter biden case was truly independent. that was a move that republicans opposed. the house judiciary committee writing, david weiss can t be trusted. this is just a new way to whitewash the biden family corruption. after all that an appeal deal was worked out with hunter biden and ultimately rejected by the courts. weiss ended up charging the president son for an offense so rarely prosecuted that even trey gowdy, the former congressman and prosecutor, could scarcely believe it. i did gun prosecutions for six years. i went after convicted felons. i went after people who were fugitives from justice. i went after lots of different people who were prohibited from possessing a firearm, but i bet there were not 10 cases prosecuted nationwide of addicts or unlawful drug users who possess firearms or lied on applications. i bet there weren t a dozen, which makes you wonder of all the cases you could be pursuing in delaware, why are you pursuing this one? all of this was facilitated by democrats in the white house and department of justice and capitol hill to restore faith in equal justice under the law and the norms of the constitutional order. donald trump flagrantly violated the law, interfering with the department of justice. stewing when he could not interfere further. publicly calling for prosecutions. you may have forgotten that months into his presidency troubles calling federal prosecutors and cultivating relationships with them, including the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. and obama holdover who was overseeing the investigation into stock trades made by trump s health secretary. he said those calls made him uncomfortable and he was fired as u.s. attorney less than a day after he finally refused to take a call from president trump. the administration would later tell propublica, trump s personal attorney bragged about getting him fired with reportedly telling trump, this guy is going to get you. the former united states attorney for the southern district of new york joins me now. an interesting study in contrast over the past few weeks. what strikes you about the reaction? when you think about the biden family and how joe biden in particular thinks about his job and not just his job, but his family. upon a conviction or before the conviction, the arrest and indictment of his son, given what his family has been through, you would think every fatherly instinct would ve been to protect him. if you are a father, and i know you are, you love your children more than you love yourself. you try to protect them from harm and you try to protect them from bad consequences. the biden family has suffered lots of bad things as a family and yet there are some things more important than that when you are the commander in chief and basically the president of the country and one of those things is that no one is above the law and the rule of law matters. here is an occasion as you were playing out in the intro, where joe biden had absolute authority. literal authority. he had no authority over robin bragg and did not direct the prosecution of donald trump. it is his justice department. he had the authority to direct people not to prosecute his son. he could have fired the special counsel. he could have directed the special counsel not be appointed in the first place. he could have pardoned his son preemptively. all of that conduct, given that it is his son, it kind of makes you pause and think about ton about how unbelievable that is. in a million years, if the shoe were on the other foot and donald trump was facing his son being prosecuted, by me if i had been held over. a biden holdover prosecutor, not in a million years with that have happened. some of the people on the right, the people who support donald trump, are trying to cast this as some clever program by which this actually proves they yes. i will say it is outlandish imagining don junior getting in trouble with guns and drugs, but stephen miller said this. the gun charges are a misdirection and an easy opt to sell to a quiet media that is also willing to be duped. this is about protecting joe biden and only joe biden. no matter what happens, right, the corrupt deep system is deeper than you realized. if every possible outcome, every possible permutation is arguably a point in your favor, maybe your position is terrible. i used a different word than terrible. honestly i don t even think he was required to keep david weiss on in delaware. honestly, when i say bend over backwards, that is bending over it would have been perfectly reasonable to replace him. obviously it would not be reasonable to say wink wink, nagy nudge. but if you say do your thing. by the way some other features are important to point out and you mentioned some in the intro. the jury verdict came out. they did not dox the jury or attack the judge. he did not say this is a witch hunt. he said what people say. what i used to say when i was u.s. attorney for 7 1/2 years. you win some and you lose some. we say we respect the verdict of the jury. completely opposite to what donald trump said. it was striking. after that trump verdict, i remember judge kaplan in the federal civil trial with e. jean carroll told the jurors, look, you can talk to the press if you want. i would advise you not to. in alvin bragg s case they did not and i think we all know the reason. they would expose themselves to harassment and possible threats and violence. here you had the jurors talking to us, which, great, am a reporter. i like it, but what a contrast. it is a very stark contrast and i think it goes to show that when joe biden and his supporters talk about the rule of law and nobody being above the law, they mean it. you can disagree with joe biden s policies and talk about the border and all of these things that are not in my bailiwick, but on the question of whether or not the rule of law is to be enforced and no favor given to anyone, including the son of a sitting president of the united states. the republicans are full of it on trump side and biden is not. he has walked the walk. my final question for you is about independence in the department of justice. we have a post mix in order. one of the things about nixon and the reckoning at a level of regulation, norms, and that schuetz was the department of justice can t just be a tool in the hands of the executive to pursue vendetta to prosecute and punish enemies to protect friends. the trump vision is exactly that and in fact, explicitly that. they really think we are going to come in and it is going to be like day one, go open an investigation on that person, prosecute them. what they have accused everyone else of doing. there is a great irony. one of the cases pending against donald trump, the mar-a-lago documents case in federal court in florida, donald trump steam has made a number of motions to dismiss the indictment. one of those is vindictive prosecution. there is no evidence that joe biden or anyone else directed the investigation and prosecution and indictment. by saying the things they are saying now that you are pointing out, donald trump is ironically laying out the foundation for a vindictive prosecution motion to dismiss on behalf of all the current people donald trump will be going after. he is announcing his plans before election. all of those statements and those plans, project 20/25 and everything else, will be chapter and verse and asking for those dismissals of those indictments. coming up, congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez and jamie raskin on the litany of scandals rocking the supreme court, but first, what we are learning about donald trump s rude awakening from the justice system, next. system, next. shop etsy anytime for furniture, lighting, and other thoughtful pieces made by real people to bring a little something extra to the ordinary. find handmade items that add wow to your walls, help your party set-up pop, and new things to help you fall in love with your family room again. when you want 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crime, is often on job applications. it is the subject of campaigns to get rid of it, to help former convicts get jobs and reenter society. that question is apparently still part of the vetting of trump s vice presidential pick, where it seems only one member of the ticket gets to be a felon. they asked us for a number of things. i think a number of people have been asked to submit this and that. like your taxes or something? criminal background? have you committed a crime? have you ever lied about this? certainly you have those conversations. he extensively covered trump world including his recent reporting on the juror. it is interesting to watch folks who don t know this and to watch the various implications of being convicted of a felony and all the different types of regulations and things you cannot do. in some states it is disenfranchisement, voting, liquor licenses and the like. being a person of color and a former prosecutor, i am unmoved by these newfound epiphanies on the right with respect to the reality of life in america if you are a convicted felon. one thing i find to be particularly interesting is how the right is scrambling to rearrange the narrative of what it is to be a felon. think of this for a moment. you re talking about the party that planted its flag on the notion of law and order in america, now having to walk out and say it is politically advantageous for our candidate to have 34 convictions on his record. this is a narrative they are not going to be able to square, but it is funny to watch them try. he invited in the bronx on stage, folks who are facing charges for a broad conspiracy with people that includes moving heavy drugs and violent crime. very serious, gnarly stuff. and has them on the stage like hey, this is our thing now. let s be clear, you are talking about whether someone is an associate of new orleans. an associate of felons. the list is long. i think they are trying to be like, it is actually good we are felons and they don t actually believe that. it s amazing how much the tough on crime philosophy falls by the wayside when it is the racist game show hosts turn in the barrel. donald trump and his minions talk day in and day out about a two-tiered system of justice. he is correct that one does exist in this country, it is just he is at this tier and everyone else s at this tier. so many things no other defendant could get away with. including the judge and all that stuff, he would have been put in jail for sure. absolutely and now behind the scenes and in the open he and his maga brain trust are getting ready to exploit parts of the u.s. criminal code to go after alvin bragg, letitia james, jack smith, if he returns to power in 2025. some of this is being cooked up behind the scenes and policy papers, but so much is being done in the open. you ve also got them moving to get alvin bragg before a committee. he will testify with the gop led judiciary committee. one question i had about all of this, does any of this matter in the process that trump was going through? no, it does not. you don t think it matters, talking about it is all rigged? does that matter for sentencing? donald trump s public rhetoric absolutely matters. i thought you were referring to alvin bragg going to capitol hill, which is something i think he should not do. with respect to the things donald trump is parroting in the dialogue around his case, that matters. one of the things the probation officer is going to take into account is what degree of understanding and remorse do you have? i screwed up, i m sorry. exactly. to walk in his office and say that when you have every opportunity with the microphone in front of your face. you ve reported on this and this has been going around the house republican leaders are privately gauging support for legislation that would let current and former presidents move a state case to federal court. have you heard any of that? we reported in rolling stone at the end of last month that trump had been personally calling around to different conservative allies, including republican lawmakers on capitol hill, to lobby them. when i m back in office, wouldn t it be great if you passed legislation that is ready for me to sign to have former and current presidents be able to move their cases to federal court. again, i think they are getting high on their own supply. i feel like that is a bad bill to vote for. for a front-line republican member. right? i m not crazy. if you are a maga lawmaker, certainly there is a cute appeal to it. it is not only moderate republicans on capitol hill saying maybe we shouldn t do this. i ve spoken to cronies who are close to donald trump who have told me maybe we should not go down this route because don t we want to use state a.g. s and conservative district attorneys to go after joe biden or hillary clinton? yes, the principal applying equally would hang them up. there is back and forth about the gun situation, charles. i m sure you have encountered this. what does the law say about whether he can keep the gun in florida? in your crime. he more likely than not will need to turn the gun in in florida. he is going to have a grace period where that is allowed. well technically he might be in violation of the law upon notice of conviction, he is probably going to be allowed but it does not surprise me he has to turn it in in florida. there is an incredible thing happening which is the hunter biden conviction was about a felony conviction. he lied on forms. committing a felony in terms of taking drugs and owning a gun. so he lied on the forms. now we have the ex-president holding a gun, having been convicted of a felony. a remarkable set of circumstances. charles coleman, asawin suebsaeng, thank you both. still to come, samuel alito s wife has more thoughts about flags, amazingly. aoc and jamie raskin on the supreme court legitimacy crisis, ahead. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i ll never miss a day of 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the opposite of pride. the alito s have not responded to requests for comment but none of what ms. alito said change the facts that justice alito allowed this to fly over his home while he sits in the highest court in the land hearing cases related to the insurrection on january 6 and sits on the court with his buddy clarence thomas whose wife was interviewed by the committee about her text with donald trump s chief of staff. both refused to recuse themselves, despite the obvious appearance of bias. when faced with an increasingly urgent question, what can be done about the out-of-control court? today democrats held a roundtable on the ethical crisis in the supreme court. i should note that one of the expert legal witnesses there was my wife. leading the panel was jamie raskin, the ranking member of the oversight committee and newark congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, the vice ranking member, and they join me now. it is good to have you on. thanks for having us. i will start with you and what the agenda was today. obviously you can t call hearings yourself as a ranking member and not the chair, but what were you trying to do today? oversight democrats wanted to respond to the national clamor over this crisis of legitimacy at the supreme court. so we analyzed the ethics crisis. we analyzed the political crisis around what got us into this and the blockaded confirmations of people like merrick garland, nominated by president obama to the court, and then we began to talk about what things could be done in the specific case of justices alito and thomas and generally about the ethical collapse of the supreme court. it is the highest court in the land with the lowest ethical standards. the only government officials in the land who are not governed by a binding ethics code. there is no process by which we can hold any of them accountable, so it violates the essential principle that james madison identified as the heart of our justice system. which is that no man can be a judge in his own cause. so we began to explore different avenues of holding them accountable. congresswoman, you said something toward the end of the hearing that it cannot be the case as a constitutional matter, as an almost intuitive commonsense matter, that they are not subject to any checks. we have three branches. checks and balances move between the positions and justice alito said in the wall street journal interview that congress has no ability to regulate us whatsoever. what should congress be doing? what are you brainstorming basically? what is the conversation about what those can be? of course justice alito s position is laughable in this. this idea that he can be and that the court should be accountable to nobody and that the only person they should be accountable to our themselves. this kind of scouts promise sort of set up for how we should be having ethics standards for the highest and most consequential court in the land. it is completely unacceptable and not only is it unacceptable but to have anyone of our coequal branches be completely unaccountable to the others is paving the path to authoritarianism, tyranny, the abuse of power in the united states. it is structurally, completely unsustainable. so it is not a question of if congress has jurisdiction and power over the supreme court. it is what power are we going to exercise in order to reign in a fundamentally unaccountable and rogue court? one of the beautiful things about today s roundtable is we were also able to call in one of our senate colleagues, senator whitehouse, who has been pursuing extensive investigations into the dark money network that has been exerting influence over the court and we raised and discussed varying measures from term limits to an actual binding ethics standard and also congressman raskin and myself will be introducing forthcoming legislation to even have the supreme court be subject to the same $50 gift rule that he and i are subject to, as are everyone else who are members of congress. that is a great point. my understanding, i was talking to my wife, kate shaw, about this. to give testimony during the hearing. she pointed out to me if i am not mistaken that things, for instance, you can get a book deal as a supreme court justice. that is allowed. but you could not like to be a partner that is something that congress passed a statute to say what you could and could not do, because obviously it would be nuts to be a supreme court justice and have a side gig as a lawyer. we all understand that. congress can pass statutes that say this activity is just not allowed. congress has a ban on outside employment and as aoc was saying, we have a $50 gift ban, so none of us goes anywhere near doing that. you don t do $500,000 vacations? that s the comical thing. members of congress don t even understand that. under what circumstance would a supreme court justice be accepting hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions of dollars in foreign travel were paid tuition for family members or a recreational vehicle, motor stagecoach? it is outlandish for us to complicate to contemplate. it is like the normal business as usual at the supreme court that they are collecting millions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of dollars from their so-called friends. we need to clean that up. we said we will start with something simple that the whole country will be able to understand immediately and intuitively. we want a $50 gift ban. they make $300,000 a year. pay for your own lunch and pay for your own vacation. that does seem quite clear, congresswoman, and also has the advantage again. there are particular issues to deal with, but in some ways the only way to legislate it or for congress to act is outlining broad principles that are equally applicable. absolutely and as all of us as public servants, whether it is both chambers of congress, any of us are subject to the same or similar uniform code of ethics and the fact that the supreme court, which is already unelected, at least for those of us who run for office we have to re-run for office every two years in the house. for an unelected body of nine people, appointed for life, to not have any sort of binding, strict ethics code to which they cannot only be held accountable, but which can be enforced, is actually ludicrous. and it is almost unbelievable that we are sitting here in the year 2024, over 200 years after the establishment of this country, and that we actually have not addressed this issue. it is long past doing and it is common sense. one of the things we addressed, chris, was how the private corruption of the justices mirrors the public corruption of justice. it is this roberts court, this right-wing court dismantling civil rights laws, civil liberties, women s rights to choose, labor law, consumer law, you name it. as they grow more and more removed from the experiences of the way the rest of us live, the more they are willing to demolish the protections. the there are a bunch of things that happened outside of the ap purview that you have to do with equal justice under law and i wonder if both of you would stick around to talk ul about that, is that all right? 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i mean, it was very presidential and, you know, he showed in his statement love for his son and love for his country including the rule of law. the different reactions between a republican colleagues and our democratic colleagues with the trump verdict and hunter biden verdict, it is just astounding. nobody on our side said that the fix was in, nobody said that it was a travesty, nobody said that the justice needs to be turned upside down. everybody accepted it. hunter biden, like donald trump, had the right of counsel which you exercise, you have the presumption of innocence, he had the right to take the stand which he chose not to do like donald trump chose not to take the stand and they have both had unanimous jury verdicts finding that they were guilty on all counts. so i am saying about that what i said about donald trump s verdict which is, they have a right to appeal and they can do that under due process, thank god we have got that in america. and we are going to stand by the rule of law and the system of justice, for the same reason that we are fighting for a supreme court that restores its integrity and reputation because we need to have that kind of confidence, not just at the trial level in federal court or state court. we need to have it going all the way up. those of supreme court justices are just a complete runaway body. speaking of state court in new york, congresswoman, obviously you represent part of new york, there was a huge amount of insults and vitriol that has been directed at alvin bragg both from donald trump on down and people carrying water for him, that has now escalated. he will now he is being called by the house republicans before the judiciary committee and be grilled by house republicans who have rallied behind mr. trump since his conviction last month. gop lawmakers are perpetuating his false narrative that president biden ordered his prosecution. what you think about the fact that they are not escalating to the point where they will call alvin bragg before congress? what we are seeing here unseld is an outright abuse of power in the politicization of the seats of power these republicans hold in order to intimidate the courts and exact political revenge. we have to just look at this from a basic jurisdictional point of view. alvin bragg is not even this is not even a federal case in the same way. we are looking at a state court. and we are looking at municipal and state courts and we have republicans who are trying to haul them in, on what grounds exactly? this is not federal court, they do not have jurisdiction over it, this is truly just and attempt at public targeting. and we see that they do this, this is in the middle of donald trump, it is in the model of invoking and trying to incite as much anger and intimidation in order for them to get the outcomes that they want. they are so eager to be fans to donald trump that their political judgment is off because that is not where the public is and the public understands, with the hunter biden verdict in the donald trump verdict, the rule of law is just working and they are intervening, as you say, and an estate case in order simply to placate donald trump pics to precisely, what we are also seeing here is the stark contrast between joe biden and donald trump. and in president biden, we have both come yes, a loving father who is there to be supportive of his son, but also a president who respects rule of law and is willing to accept the outcomes of the case even if that outcome is not in favor with his family or his personal outcomes. whereas, you have donald trump who takes and finances the seats of government, the seats of power, and embarks on a campaign, a political intimidation, in order to secure outcomes that personally benefit him. and that at the core is part of the sticks of our democracy that are before us today. because once rule of law goes out the window, it is not something that is easy to get back and it is very much a part of the decision that we have to make before us in the next few months. congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, congressman jamie raskin, thank you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. that is all in on this tuesday night. alex wagner tonight starts now. we have new exclusive audio from the supreme court historical society that lauren winsor has given us and we will be playing that in the hour, so stay tuned. i will pick like i said, exclusive never before heard audio recordings of justice samuel alito speaking to an undercover
that is tonight s last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, hunter biden guilty in his federal gun case. what s next for the president s only living son as he awaits sentence thing and what it could mean for the race. then my exclusive interview with john bolton. why he thinks we are not taking the former president s threats seriously enough. plus, pride month under attack. why progress is being lost as the 11th hour gets underway on this tuesday night. good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle and we are now 147 days away from the election and today the president son, hunter biden, was convicted on all counts in his federal gun trial. the jury deliberated the three counts for just three hours. president biden says he accepts the outcome of the case and will always be there for his son. here is my colleague ryan nobles with more. reporter: tonight president biden arriving in delaware, hugging his son on the tarmac after hunter biden became the first child of a sitting president found guilty in a criminal trial. no one in this country is above the law. reporter: it took three hours of deliberations for 12 jurors to unanimously determine hunter biden guilty of three felony counts. for lying about his drug use on a federal background check to buy a gun. special counsel david weiss, who oversaw the prosecution, saying this is not a case about hunter s struggles with crack, but his decision to break the law. s choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun and then to possess that gun. it was these choices and the combination of guns and drugs that made his conduct dangerous. reporter: inside the courtroom, the president s 54- year-old son did not react as the verdict was read. he left the courthouse holding the hand of the first lady, later releasing a statement saying i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community then i am disappointed about the outcome. the verdict comes after four days of testimony from people who are or were once close to hunter biden. many testifying about his drug use around the time he filled out the background check saying he was not a drug user. his ex-girlfriend testified she witnessed hunter smoking crack every 20 minutes or so. the prosecution also using clips from hunter s own book. i have no plans beyond the moment. reporter: the defense argued hunter biden did not knowingly lie on the form. tonight we spoke to juror number 10, who asked that we conceal his identity. separating the politics from the case a absolutely. for us it was not politically motivated. politics never played into anything that we said in the jury room. reporter: president biden, who said he would not pardon his son, writing, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that. with that let s get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel this evening. mike memoli is here. he has covered president biden and his family for more than a decade. susan glasser joins us, staff writer for the new yorker and harry litman, former assistant attorney general. mike, you know this president and his family better than any other reporter out there. how are they all reacting to this? biden has a lot of family expressions and one i have heard him invoke so often is that family is everything. it is the beginning, it is the middle, and it is the end. in the more than decade of covered president biden i have seen them come together to celebrate their greatest triumphs. the election, the inauguration most recently. i have also seen them have to endure some of the most difficult and tragic moments as a family. this is one that yet again has brought the family together. to really take stock of a very difficult moment. really the past week and a half has been so difficult to have to relive through this trial the most difficult moments of their family, starting with the death of beau biden and what it did to hunter biden, leading to the addiction to drugs. as i have been talking to people close to the family tonight i have been struck by a tone of defiance about what comes next. there has been concern about what this might mean politically, but also personally for president biden. he is 21 weeks away from his last election. 16 days away from a consequential debate against donald trump, but the tone i am hearing from people close to the president is that they are so proud of their public service as a family and nothing is going to stop them from achieving the goal that is set out in front of them. they know they have a difficult task ahead. the politics, the legal situation does not get easier from here but they are determined to face this together as a family. harry, you wrote in the l.a. times that the jury decision was right, but the prosecution was wrong. i don t think i know what that means. let me try. department of justice guidelines, stephanie, have ways of handling cases and cases like this in which someone lies on a form but does not do any other crime with a gun or part of a gang or whatever are universally dismissed or not treated with the severity that david weiss treated this one. that is how david weiss first proposed to treat this one about a year ago when the gun charges were going to be the subject of a diversion agreement if hunter biden kept clean for two years. it would go away. so the screaming question, not the jury verdict but the question to charge presents and i don t know what the answer is. what happened to change his view of what was the proper punishment and treatment of hunter biden to take it outside how gop practice would normally treat it. because he is a special counsel no one in the doj supervisory structure which normally would say we don t do that to these cases, here is how we handle these cases. no one was there to say that and i think it is certain for whatever reason that hunter was treated more severely than another defendant with the same facts. you have written that you don t think a game changer could change voters minds about this election so i assume you think this verdict won t have much of an impact. we are getting to the point that you are anticipating me too well. look, if donald trump s conviction and becoming the first convicted felon in american history who was a former president, if that was not a radical change in the election, i don t see the conviction of a private citizen, even one who was the son of a current president to be a game changer in this race. it was that close. there was a minor, incremental shift at best toward biden. it is not entirely clear how this conviction of biden s son will play politically. certainly republicans were immediately questioning this, saying this is really just a distraction and all sorts of instantaneous conspiracy theories. default setting from some of trumps public supporters and defenders. you know, hunter biden is not running for president and that s the bottom line. there is no evidence that years of investigations of him, of dragging his name around, has really affected biden s political standing and i don t anticipate this would, either. hunter biden is not running for president. we should remind our audience he has no role in our government, past, present, and no plans for the future. harry, what could he be looking at as far as sentence goes? the standard guidelines would dictate a sentence between 15 to 21 months, based on the conduct and lack of criminal history. those are just recommendations and my best guess, consistent with what i was saying about how people who don t do anything else other than lie on the form are treated is that he will receive a fair bit less than that from the judge. remember however that there are still the tax charges he has to face and david weiss made it clear that the investigation is ongoing and he may be targeting some of hunter biden s conduct in 2014 or so in china, in business dealings. for this charge i expect him to get a sentence that is a matter of months, not the 15 to 21 that the guidelines would otherwise dictate. even if it is just a few months, hunter biden, unlike most people in his situation has secret service protection. so how does that work? your guess is as good as mine, though we have been thinking about it and we know the secret service prepared a plan when it came up with donald trump. trump would have his own wing and people would be there. there would be a lot of cooperation with local authorities. here it is easier because it is federal authorities, bureau of prisons and secret service. that will be worked out one way or another. i think that is sort of the least of the practical issues that this conviction poses today. michael, you laid it out for us, how close the biden family has. how to finance the president is when it comes to protecting his family, how he talks about the family. around this time last year i interviewed the president. much to his teams chagrin, anger, fury, i asked about hunter and he said my son is an innocent man, my son is a good man. the president is now headed deeper into this campaign into the debate stage. how is he going to handle the questions he is asked, the narrative around hunter now that we have this guilty verdict and a president who does respect the rule of law and decisions made by a jury? just think about the gauntlet that is ahead. i mentioned 16 days from now is the first debate. preparation is critical. the president tomorrow is leaving for an important foreign trip. meeting with other key leaders as well as pope francis. you know how close this president is with that hope. it will be an interesting meeting, but then he comes back and has a little over a week to prepare for that debate. we have never in modern history scenery match between combatants like trump and biden and we know the strategy on the part of the former president is very likely to try to get under president biden skin and use this against him. the biden team looks at 2020 when, yes, hunter biden was a frequent political cudgel that trump tried to use against him and the president s advisers say it did not work then and it actually backfired on donald trump. they are presenting this as do this at your own peril to donald trump, but i think it is a concern to people close to president biden that as important as the debate is and as important as preparation is, will he be able to focus on the task at hand? the answer from those i ve spoken to today is that is not going to be an issue. susan, i m sure you remember this question. former president trump and his friends at fox news said it over and over and over. where is hunter? they said it for days, weeks, months. it seemed like years. yet after today s verdict the trump campaign was basically silent, saying it is just a distraction. what in the world is going on here, susan? well, first of all i guess now that donald trump himself where s the label of convicted felon and has been at the spearhead of the most kind of concerted assault that we have ever seen, i think, by one political party in this country against the very legitimacy of the legal system. it is not exactly a comparison that is favorable where you have democrats on down today saying listen, we respect the rule of law. biden isn t going to issue a pardon for his own son. as painful as this is we think that the jury system works and things like that. the contrast with trump is obviously one that is very unfavorable and i am struck by how quickly trumps allies immediately reverted to conspiracy theories and make- believe. i can t stress that enough. they are still in burnet down mode when it comes to our legal system and that includes, you know, trying to imply that this case is a distraction from the real secret being covered up, the real case that should be brought against hunter biden. whatever the conspiracy theory is, it is part of a purposeful plan to rip down the authority and the legitimacy of the legal system, because of donald trump. because of one man. republicans like to say the current president weaponize is the justice department, but i want to share with democrat jim mcgovern had to say about that very thing. watch this. apparently when a republican is convicted it is weaponization, but when a democrat is convicted, the president s son no less, that is justice. give me a break. hunter biden was found guilty by a jury of his peers, just like donald trump. the divide is stunning and it is a great reminder that one political party remains committed to the rule of law and the other doesn t. jim mcgovern bringing a rational thought to a political party. crazy to do these days. michael, there are a lot of apolitical people. it seems like what you laid out with the a clear contrast for voters. is it? it is interesting because what we didn t hear from the president, from those around him tonight, was criticism of a trump appointed judge that presided over this trial or the prosecution from the trump appointed special counsel. there was none of that in the statement before the trial began and today when the try was over, he reiterated his respect for the rule of law and freedom and democracy have been an important part of the president s campaign. that is an example he is showing not just through those words, but the words we saw in another interview last week. the president has the power after this difficult moment, this difficult verdict, to free his son of any potential jail time. he can issue a pardon as soon as the sentence comes down and he has said he will not do that. if ever there was an opportunity for a president to put their finger on the scale of the justice system and given how close he and his family are, it would seem to be in this moment and he said he is not going to do that. thank you all for starting us off on this very serious news evening. when we return this man once worked in the trump administration and a cabinet level position. now one of his biggest critics. john bolton talks the verdicts in both trump and hunter biden s trials. later the biden campaign has an aggressive strategy to brand trump as a felon. how the president s sons verdict could complicate that. the 11th hour, just getting underway on a tuesday night. da. 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i don t think enough people are. when you hear trump saying things like people are saying that retribution can be justified, what he really means is i am saying that retribution can be justified. i think he has a long list of adversaries he wants to go after, but i think the justice department under the trump administration will be in continuing chaos as he tells his political appointee is to go after people whether there are grounds to do it or not and what those lawyers do will tell you a lot about their legal integrity. i think it will put the judiciary under real pressure. you might be on the perceived enemy list. are you concerned at all for your safety? i m concerned about a lot of people that i think he made clear he wants to go after. he tried to suppress my book. he tried to get a criminal investigation started. both of those have been settled and taken out of the picture because they were utterly without merit, but i don t think those technicalities stand in trumps way. he said for example he wants to prosecute the former chairman of the joint chief of staff s for daring to have a conversation with his chinese counterpart in the run-up to january 6, to assure the chinese that they need not worry. trump says that his treason and he reminded people that the death penalty used to apply. i think he is very serious. he may joke about it a little bit, but this will be a retribution presidency and i think the justice department will be where the rubber meets the road. you called the new york verdict a fire bell in the night and you urged your party to nominate somebody else at the convention. do you think that is something that could realistically happen? is there a group behind the scenes potentially working on this? i don t think it is realistic, but i think people ought to have a gut check one more time. for most americans voting for a convicted felon, i think, is going to be a real obstacle. you can say all you want that this was the result of political discrimination against trump. he will be able to raise the selective prosecution argument on appeal. when the case was put in front of 12 regular americans, new yorkers like donald trump used to be, they found him guilty. i think the facts the prosecution presented were clear and that is a problem the party will have and could affect senate candidates, house candidates, gubernatorial candidates. i think if he is elected, electing the first convicted felon as president of the united states will cause real damage to the united states and how we are perceived abroad. given the guilty verdict today for president biden son, hunter biden, what do you say to those republicans who say joe biden weaponized the department of justice and made it his political tool? right and basically shot his son in the process. it is a conspiracy theory. i speak as an alumnus of the department of justice. you could not do in that department what trumps supporters say has been done and not have it leaked to every major media outlet in the country. it is possible to be the victim of selective prosecution and unfairly so and also be guilty. i think certainly that is probably true in trump s case. in hunter biden s case they are not done with him yet. there will be an income tax case and the u.s. attorney, special counsel investigation into hunter continues. so i would like to see what the impact of this case is on the election. it will have an election impact, even though it is not joe biden. it is his son. and see what people think when trump says poor donald trump, the whole world is against him. apparently against hunter biden, too. do you think donald trump is a threat to democracy? we keep hearing that phrase. i want to know if you believe it and if so, practically, tangibly what does it look like? i don t think it is a threat to democracy or our system. i think it will cause enormous damage and a term of confusion and turmoil. but the idea that donald trump is going to overthrow the united states constitution, overthrow the republic as an existential threat to democracy gives him too much credit. i think it is important to state the threat accurately. not to overstate it, not to understate it, but to understand what the nature of the threat is so people who oppose it can combat it more effectively. overdoing it i think gives trump a break and that s a mistake. you said that donald trump doesn t have the brains for dictatorship. even though he said that he would be a dictator on day one. does that make him any less dangerous if he is not that smart but still wants to be a dictator? i think it goes to the point that while donald trump has an infinite span of attention when it comes to the greater glory of donald trump, his attention span on most other issues is about he will to a fruit fly. so that his opponents and even some of his supporters who try and move him away from the most dangerous things that he does will have plenty of room to try to step in. i m not trying to minimize what i see donald trump doing. i think what he was doing at the end of his first term is where it will pick up the day he is inaugurated and it is serious. when you say the republic itself will fall like the roman republic well, really? people think donald trump is equal to julius caesar? give me a break. he may not be, but this time around he won t have the safety guards of you, h.r. mcmaster, the list goes on. are you concerned about the people that are in his current orbit and what they are capable of doing and how they can influence him? yes, i think any administration in a second term does not attract the quality of people it does in the first for the very practical reason that the runway in the second term is shorter. trump will be a lame duck the minute he is sworn in and he has a lot of people around him. basically the people who stayed in the government after january 6 who were second and third rate at best. i think the bigger danger is that trump will insist on staffing a second term on personal loyalty to him above all. he is coming up with his decision for his vice presidential nominee and i think the two questions are, number one, do you think the 2020 election was stolen? and number two, if i told you in a similar situation to do what i told mike pence to do, would you do it? unless the answer to both questions is yes, then that person will not be considered for vice president. i think you will see something similar in all of the key positions. that is a very dangerous circumstance and to the extent the senate republicans included take the confirmation process seriously. if they see people who are more loyal to donald trump than they are to the constitution, that alone is grounds against them. is there a certain person that you see as highly dangerous who you are worried about? i would not want to give any of them academy awards. i think there are bright people including people in the house and senate who have joined this cult of personality and the smarter they are, the more dangerous they are. you are giving us some very serious warnings and things to take seriously, but something i m going to say is not that serious. a write in vote. this election is going to be joe biden or donald trump. in 2020 you wrote in dick cheney. you said you would do it again. are you really giving a clear and honest warning if you are willing to do another right in that won t help anything? look, i bought that argument in 2016 when hillary clinton ran against trump and i voted for trump in 2016. hillary and bill were a year ahead of me in law school and i like to say i ve been burdened with them a lot longer than the rest of the country. after working for trump i could not vote for him, but i did not vote for joe biden in 2020 and won t this year because i don t think he is fit to be president either, for different reasons. when you have two people who don t cross the bar of acceptability, i think it is legitimate to cast a protest vote. a lot of republicans told me a year ago that they would not vote for trump. that they will look at biden and choose what they considered to be the lesser of two evils and i hear other republicans and some democrats say the opposite. it is an unhappy time for america when these are the two people we nominated and it will be a bad four years for america, whichever of them wins. then are these concerns that you have that serious? writing somebody and who won t when is not serious. it s a protest vote. if i didn t vote for anybody this time it would be a protest vote as well. i m not going to vote for someone i think is not qualified, not fit for the office. i m not going to vote for people whose principles i don t agree with. ambassador, think you for joining me today. pleasure to meet you. glad to do it. when we return, how hunter biden s guilty verdict could impact his father s reelection campaign, especially with the first debate two weeks away. when the 11th hour continues. ffects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga you know what s brilliant? 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they can t, stephanie and i think we are already seeing previews of how they will contort themselves and make the reach that, oh no, this hunter biden verdict is unique in and of itself. completely different from what is happening to trump and that is not the reality. i think republicans will still try to say that even though it has been demonstrated that they have nothing to gain here. they tried and failed repeatedly to use hunter biden as a political football and the responses today show that they fully understand that it is nothing for them to win here. i think we were describing trump statement as a distraction. so i don t expect them to stop at that, right? they will keep with the trump lies, but when we look at this broadly we have to keep in mind that that is not going to have an impact in the selection. throughout the afternoon we ve heard it repeated that hunter biden is not running for election, donald trump is. we ve also heard the contrast from president biden who fully says he accepts the jury decision. he respects the justice system, compared to trump saying it is rigged and i think that is a contrast that will be replayed again and again and that will be something that captures voters attention more than the verdict specifically on hunter biden. hunter biden is a one off. menendez s legal bills would disagree. the president has started to use the term, convicted felon, calling trump that over and over. now that his son is in that camp, does it make it harder for him to do that? no, because he is not talking about his son. he s talking about the guy running against him to be the next president of the united states. hunter is not running for anything. hunter is taking care of business and will have another casey will have to deal with, just as donald trump is taking care of his business and will have three or four other cases to deal with. from the president s perspective it is smart politics to call the thing what it is. why would you run away from that? honestly he is a convicted felon. we watched our friends on this network countdown each count, one through 34. i think for the biden team it is an opportunity for them to lean into the politics and this is a political campaign. what candidate in the country, in the world for that matter, would not use this kind of weakness that is self-imposed by his opponent? remember this is all because of what donald trump did. joe biden was not in that hotel room with stormy daniels. donald trump was. the reality of it is, that is the reality. that s the truth. those are the facts and why not talk about it when the moment presents itself? judging when and exactly how each time may be a matter of some decision, but lean into it and call the thing what it is. i want to talk about somebody else that talks about politics today in the presidential race. a republican we don t hear from often, paul ryan, he was on fox news and here is what he said. he said he is a populist and authoritarian narcissist. it is a job that rick myers the kind of character he just does not have. that s pretty strong. that s the way i feel. i agree with that. i don t support biden, either. i think his policies are terrible. a lot of republicans make this argument. we heard john bolton saying basically the same thing on the show. michael, what is your response to that? my response is okay. to a certain extent, to each his own, but at a certain point it has to become about the country. going back to your discussion with john bolton, the reality is this is a big deal. you have an individual who is running for president who says he wants to be a dictator. i don t know. that is not what we do or have done. that is not what we are inclined towards. yet we may have had folks in america who danced with this idea back in the 30s. and in the 1950s with john birch society, but leaders in this country and ultimately the american people said that is not who we are. i am not forsaking the future of my kids and my grandkids to some fool who wants to be a dictator, because i know what history has taught me about dictatorships and that is not who we are. so at a certain point the paul ryan s and john bolton s may sit and go, i can t do that. but what i am asking my fellow republicans to do and center- right voters to do is think about the country for once. think about the bigger issue. think about your kids and the importance of this. there are a lot of things about the biden administration policies i could disagree with all day long, but they are not a threat to my freedom. they are not a threat to my family and my future. i get up every morning and have that fight with the administration. i can t have that fight with thugs from a former dictator knocking on my door. i m at a disadvantage there as an american citizen. so there are some important points to be made about this election. i happen to think that is one of them. i hope paul ryan and others will come around and at the end of the day what they do in the privacy of the voting booth is their business, despite what they may say publicly. i m guessing right now mitch mcconnell is tucked into his bed, nodding and agreeing with everything michael is saying. in public he is going to be welcoming donald trump later this week along with fellow senate republicans. how do you think this will go? these two men have not met in person since 2020. they may loathe each other, but they both love power. they both love authority and that is one reason they will continue to do the public display. i want to go back to something michael said that connected the dots in the way that john bolton couldn t. understanding that threat is important because what bolton could not commit to is that trump is a threat to our democracy. it was jarring to me to hear that interview in a post january 6 reality, in an effort to undermine the 2020 election results reality, where trump still refuses to accept those results and his supporters refused to proactively accept the 2024 results and to claim he is not a threat to democracy. it shows a disconnect that again, it aligns with some of the other republican talking points that are completely not based in reality and outlandish. connecting the dots for the american public is critical and i appreciate that the biden campaign has started their outreach campaign to the never trump republicans and crafting a national narrative that will appeal across partisan lines. because understanding the threats. understanding the components of project 2025 is going to be mobilizing factors in the selection. juanita, michael, i appreciate the two of you being here. great to see you both. when we return, pride under attack. we talk about the growing hostility ahead of pride month with the head of glaad when the 11th hour continues. inu i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza. ingrezza ingrezza is clinically proven for reducing td. most people saw results in just two weeks. people taking ingrezza can stay on most mental health meds. only number-one prescribed ingrezza has simple dosing for td: always one pill, once daily. ingrezza can cause depression, suicidal thoughts, or actions in patients with huntington s disease. pay close attention to and call your doctor if you become depressed, have sudden changes in mood, behaviors, feelings, or have thoughts of suicide. don t take ingrezza if you re allergic to its ingredients. ingrezza may cause serious side effects, including angioedema, potential heart rhythm problems, and abnormal movements. report fevers, stiff muscles, or problems thinking as these may be life threatening. sleepiness is the most common side effect. take control by asking your doctor about ingrezza. ingrezza chewy, a citi client, uses citi s financial expertise to help drive its growth and keep its supply chain moving, so more pet parents can get everything they need. right when they need it. keeping more pets, and families, happy. for the love of moving our clients forward. for the love of progress. the chances of a plane crash 1 in 11 million. you re not going to finish those salted nuts, right? 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here to discuss, sarah kate ellis, president and ceo of glaad. what are we seeing here? i think it has been building. what we have seen the past couple of years is this intensity against our community from politician, from right wing politicians. there have been over 500lgbt bills proposed. only 37 have passed at the state level across the country. the damage, though, is done as soon as those bills are proposed. what the politicians do are filling people with rhetoric, misinformation, and lies about our community. and it is fueling hate. just in the past month, we have seen over 30 attacks on our community. this past weekend, we saw three bomb threats. it is a direct line coming from the anti-lgbtq activists and mostly politicians. we also have companies now. now officially saying no to pride, but quietly pulling back support. why is this happening? i m not seeing that as much. i am seeing that headline. i work with over 300 fortune 500 countries and they are actually not pulling back. i think as a result from last year s pride and the bruhaha over bud light and target. what they are doing is integrating pride more into their every day. taking a 365 day approach versus putting all of their eggs in one basket. i am seeing an increase in commitment. i will tell you why that is. 30% of the next generation are lgbtq. 80% of the next generation identify as allies to the community. if you are a consumer business in america, you need to step up your ally ship. they realize that what they are trying to do is do it in really thoughtful ways. how much does misinformation fuel all of this? i have seen why does pride get a month. while others get a day. we have month that s support women, african americans, aapi. disability rights. where does the misinformation come from that almost makes lgbtq a target of things that are not even based in truth? we have a long history of our community being politicized. it has been going on for decades. where it is being fueled now though is through social media. this is a half of trolls that know how to exploit the social media platforms that spread these lies and misinformation. in fact, at glaad, we do an annual report on social media platforms for the safety of our community. and all of them failed. all the major ones failed. a piece of that we are unsafe is that they spread these lies and misinformation. and then it makes it to mainstream media. and it is absolute nonsense. that is why it is our job to tell the truth every night. it is always a pleasure to see you. thank you for joining us. happy pride month. be right back after a quick break. ack after a quick break. at what cost? 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breaking news tonight. a bus hijacking of chase and the deadly discovery at the end of it. good evening. thanks for joining as we begin tonight, keep them honest with three facts about hunter biden s conviction today and wilmington, delaware on federal gun charges. the first is the human impact. it must have on a family that has certainly known tragedy, including putting a car crash that killed hunter biden s mom and baby sister, the death to brain cancer of his brother, beau, and his own descendance itself, destruction by crack cocaine. in a moment, ronald reagan s daughter, patty davis joins us to talk about her own struggles with addiction the second fact is that despite efforts to paint his trial as a counterpart, two or even the equivalent of donald trump s new york trial unlike the former president, a hunter biden is not running for anything the third fact is the one thing they actually do have in common in each the guilty verdict was rendered by 12 men and women who heard the evidence and seem to have set aside any preconceptions they might have had going in as one biden juror told cnn today, politics played no part in their deliberations, nor did testimony about the degree of biden s addiction, which he described as heart-wrenching the verdict was unanimous. and just like in new york, there is every indication the criminal justice system worked and continues to beyond that, nearly everything surrounding the two trials and their aftermath is a study in contrast starting with how egypt defendant reacted to the verdict. quoting now from hunter biden statement, thanking his wife and others. i m more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community than i am disappointed by the outcome. he goes on to say recovery is possible by the grace of god. and i am blessed to experience that give one de at a time. by contrast, here are some where the former president said after his conviction this was done by the biden administration in order to wound or hurt an opponent, a political opponent and i think it s just a disgrace. but this was a rig decision right from day one, with a conflicted judge or should have never been allowed to try this case, never well, he said as much over and over and so have republican lawmakers before, during and after the trial with a special focus on attacking the justice department and the criminal justice system every single person involved in this prosecution is practically a democratic political operative. this was not criminal justice. this was politics. the entire thing is political. it s political warfare, scam trial. this is a scam. it is a sham, sham of a trial. a sham convictions joe biden s to tier in justice system while keeping them on as they re talking about the justice department at which had nothing to do with the trump trial, which is currently prosecuting a democratic senator and congressmen. and just oversaw the conviction of the president is only surviving son and the president s reaction quoting him now, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal jill and i will always be there for hunter and the rest of our family with our love and support. nothing will ever change that he also told abc news he d ruled that a pardon for his son let me ask you, will you accept the jury s outcome, their verdict, no matter what it is? yes. and have you ruled out a pardon for your son? yes by contrast, the former president is now talking repeatedly about using the justice department if he s reelected as a tool of vengeance i. would have, every right to go after them and it s easy because it s joe biden and you see all the criminality, all of the money that s going into the family and him, all of this money from china, from russia from ukraine that s for republican lawmakers who decried trump s trial and conviction. consider house oversight chair james comer, who has been holding hearings and investigating the bidens for months, always claiming to have the goods, but always coming up empty. he is sticking to his story, tweeting today until the department of justice investigates everyone involved. the bidens corrupt influence, peddling schemes. it will be clear department officials continued to cover for the big guy, joe biden. more now, on the actual verdict and the actual trial and what comes next from cnn s paula reid just 90 minutes after hunter biden s guilty verdict, cnn got incredible insight into the case from juror number ten, won big mistake from the defense, calling hunters daughter naomi, to testify. i felt i felt bad that they put naomi as witness i i think that was probably a strategy that should not have been done. no daughter should ever have to testify or again, sorry despite feeling badly for hunter and his battles with addiction, the 12 jurors agree that they had no choice but to convict all 12 jurors agree that yes, he know i m laying in, bought a gun when he was an attic or he was addicted to drugs, although they all voted guilty, another juror, cnn spoke to off-camera question whether the case should have been brought in the first place, saying, quote, it seemed like a waste of taxpayer dollars and the jurors interviewed by cnn said politics played no role. in their decision. pressure, inviting never really even came in. to play for me. his name was only brought up one store in the trial and that s when i that s when i kind of sunk in a little bit. but you kind of put that out of your mind. president biden released a statement after his son s verdict saying, in part i am the president, but i am also a dad, jill, and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today and i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal contour issued a statement after court thanking his wife and supporters saying, i am more grateful today for the love and support i experienced this last week from melissa, my family, my friends, and my community, than i am disappointed by the outcome in spend special counsel, david weiss made aware statement defending the case, ultimately, this case was not just about objection a disease that haunts families across the united states including hunter biden s family. this case was about the illegal choices defendant made while in the throes of addiction his choice to lie on a government form when he bought a gun. and the choice to then possess that gun hello. what else did did you hear from jurors anderson? i was really interested to hear what they had to say about a possible sentencing hunter biden because the upper range for conviction on these offenses is potentially decades in prison, hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. so it s widely expected. hunter biden and wouldn t get anything anywhere near that. this is of course, a first-time offender, but juror number ten told us he doesn t think that hunter biden should get any prison time. another juror said that hunter needs rehab more than he needs imprisonment or a fine. and while the jury is weighing in on sentencing it is ultimately actually up to the judge should determine the sentence. and we expect, while there is no sentencing date, now we expect it will be roughly 120 days after this verdict, which would fall in late october so that s before election day. but likely after his next federal criminal trial, which is scheduled for early september out in los angeles i ll read them so much, paula, let s go next to the white house. i ve seen kayla tausche with more and how the president and the first family are dealing with this moment what s the reaction been from the white house for president biden anderson, president biden is approaching the situation first and foremost as a father in the statement released today, president biden saying, i am the president, but i m also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. so many families who have had loved ones battle addiction, understand the feeling of pride, seeing someone you love come out the other side and be so strong and resilient in recovery, the family greeted each other on the tarmac in delaware this evening, hunter biden, embracing members of white house staff and members of the security detail before the family then retreated to a nearby family home or they re going to be processing together what happens in the next chapter president biden has said that he will accept the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal and the biden reelection campaign is telling allies that for them, it s going to be business as usual. the president gave a speech at a previously scheduled gun safety event after the verdict, which obviously is somewhat ironic, what did what did he say there well, it was a fairly awkward conflict fluence of events today. president biden finding out about that verdict just before this preplanned event, where he was in this situation of a heralding a crackdown in gun violence i expect it to tout we knew that president biden was expected did two announce more than 500 new charges brought by the department of justice on gun crimes in the wake of his new bipartisan gun law that was passed and signed into law. in 2022. instead, the president took a broader approach. instead praising the new tools that prosecutors were given by that law, anderson per kilo joshua. thanks, joining us now to people who ve worked with and no prison biden wells and political commentators david axelrod and kate betting field, also with us retard federal judge johnny jones, the third and former federal prosecutor, jessica raw, third, judge. let me start with you. does the vert verdict surprise you d all know the verhaeghe didn t surprise me at all, anderson, i think the evidence was overwhelming and what i thought was notable and picking up one on your lead, which i thought was spot on in both of these cases, you had judges want to state judge and the other a federal judge saying, among other things, you must follow the law 224 americans in these two cases, you must follow the law, whether you agree with it or not, and you re not to be concerned about the sentence that i may give if the defendant is convicted, clearly, it validates our system of justice because they did exactly that. jessica, how about you? i mean, any surprise and what kind of grounds for appeal may there be? yeah. so i was not surprised by the verdict as the judge, the evidence really did seem to be overwhelming and the charges were pretty straightforward in terms of what the jury was being asked to find. but i think the k is also highlights the limited role that we give to juries in our system. now are there astro apply the law as they re instructed about the law to the facts and not to render an opinion in the courtroom about whether they think this was a wise prosecution or what they think is inappropriate punishment. i mean, they re really quite limited. it s not clear to me that there are strong grounds for appeal. i mean, there is a second amendment issue on whether or not the law that makes it a crime to possess a gun. if you are addicted to drugs, whether that survives a second i ve ever been challenged under the supreme court s current jurisprudence on that, but that would really only go to one of the three charges so it could be that there are some issues with respect to the evidence that was admitted, but that would be subject to harm plus error review maybe there s an appellate issue about whether or not he was entitled to essentially the benefit of the plea agreement that he had reached with the special counsel that previously fell apart, but i don t see those as being particularly strong in david. i mean, your sense of the verdict the impact it would have on the biden family and the white house. and i obviously on the campaign trail in the days ahead of any well yeah. look, i think that s the important question. anderson. a couple of weeks ago and trump was convicted, i said that i thought that the really important question was not how it would affect voters directly, but how it would affect him in his behavior. and we ve seen his behavior become even more pointed and angry since that conviction. here this is such a devastating experience for the biden family to have gone through this week to have their families go through this people get into trouble, they go, but not under the glare of the spotlight, like this. and to have your dearest relatives on the stand and have to go through this has to be devastating to the present. kate would know this even more intimately than me, but i know how much this must hurt him and there must be some feeling of guilt because he s the reason there s a spotlight on the family and why they re travails are so much in the news, so the question is, how does it affect him? he s got a debate in two weeks. he s dealing with multiple world issues right now and all the rigors of a campaign and how will he deal with it? i think is a big question. yeah. kate, we mentioned that the president promptly went to delaware to be with his son. and again, the contrast between other trump family approached the manhattan trial and how the biden family approach. this trial is stark. how do you think this is going to impact the president well, look, it is absolutely hard on him. he is a family man that you really cannot underestimate are under appreciate how close the biden family is, how much they lean on each other i think it would be hard for any father to go through, not only the experience of this trial, of course, but obviously all that hunter is dealt with and dealing with addiction and things have happened when he was in the grip of addiction. so yes, of course it is personally hard for the president, but i would also note he s somebody who has shouldered a lot of personal tragedy and difficulty while also juggling being in public office, he lost his son, beau to brain cancer when he was vice president. obviously his as you mentioned at the top has his first wife and baby daughter were killed in a car crash just weeks after he was elected to the senate. so he has spent his entire life in public service shouldering challenges, difficulty holding his family close, but simultaneously executing the duties of the office and being able to put to put his work first two. so i think his resilience, i think will really be the on display for people over the next few months. i think you saw a little bit today, frankly, when he was speaking at the gun safety event, he was lively. he was engaged, he was clearly talking with a lot of passion about the work he s done on gun safety and talking to the crowd. so i think i think the american people are going to see a lot of resilience for him. but of course this is hard for him. it s hard for him hi, are biden family, judge jones, what would you consider for a sentence on for these convictions? and also with the idea in mind that he is facing a tax charge as well that s potentially more worrisome for well, of course, the judge has to follow what are called the sentencing guidelines, which has my colleague knows are numbingly complicated, but the sentence needs to be sufficient, but not greater than necessary to fulfill the purposes of sentencing i think in this case because he didn t brandished the gun, he didn t commit a crime of violence was on another crime associated with to purchase it out. very frankly, anderson, over almost 20 years in the federal bench, i never had a stand alone case like this. this is really this actual charges and not something that s been brought tapped on. and this is the kind of zebra okay his, if you will. but i think in this case, there s a good argument for probation or it out with some kind of help remedial help counseling addiction treatment, and so forth. the real real peril comes with the tax charges because this counts as a conviction which it has the will in fact, enhance any sentence that he gets if he s convicted at the tax charges. so there s that s mandatory. that whatever the charges and this impacts that trump gets certain points for prior convictions and then of course that case is driven in part by the mount of the tax fraud as well, which escalates the sentencing exposure. that s where he really is in jeopardy of going to prison. i don t think this case so much. david, what do you say to republicans who were insisting tonight, the justice system as being weaponized against the foreign president, even though president biden s own son was just convicted in federal court and you ve got them menendez case and another congressman yeah, this is really complicated for them for that reason. and remember, yeah, you ve got senator menendez on trial, right now? congressman cuellar awaiting trial right now. it just puts the lie to the idea that there s this weaponized justice department of justice department has nothing to do with the manhattan da s office, but it s also a complicated for them because they have become so zealot zealous about the second amendment that they don t quite know how to talk about. this. so they re all shifting. and the thing that they re doing anderson is this whole, the mantra and they all move as one. is this biden crime family thing because really what s at play here is they re strategy is to try and say everybody is corrupt, that everybody is swimming in the same murky waters that donald trump is no different than joe biden. and that voters should discount the fact that donald trump is a convicted felon and has some other major cases pending against him. so i think you re going to see a lot of that. what congressman comer said today, chairman comer was really disgraceful as you pointed out he has been rolling out this cannon periodically. he lights the fuse and every time a flag comes out that says pop and there s nothing there. and so if they ve got evidence of a crime, maybe they should share it with people instead of just talking about it. and i think they don t because they don t in cape person biden and the foreign president and obviously have their first debate on cnn june 27th are you concerned about trump getting under the president s skin by invoking hunter biden. he obviously try to, when they debated in 2020 he tried in 2020 and it really backfired on him. i mean, i can tell you that the data that we saw on the biden campaign after that first debate where no trump really wound up and tried to come at hunter, was that what people remembered from that debate was joe biden defending his son, talking about his love for his son relating to people all across the country who ve had dealt with family members and friends who ve suffered from addiction. so it was actually a very relatable moment that really connected the joe biden as people across the country. so i think 44 joe biden, he should certainly expect that donald trump is going to come at him with this on the stage. we know that trump s going to try to throw everything he can it biden to get under his skin. but we ve also seen that this is a failing political argument. trump has tried to make it stick for five years. it hasn t and it ultimately winds up being an opportunity for people to see joe biden s humanity. and that s very moving and power david axelrod. thank you, judge jones. jessica roth, as welcome. have next former first daughter, patty davis, her own struggle with addiction and her thoughts about the verdict, and later cnn s clarissa ward is exclusive look inside a syrian detention camp are women and children are being held and the fears the mothers or maybe raising the next generation of isis fighters it s hard besides from real quality that starts in our factory to real performance in your backyard still tools or is tough and dependable as the people who use them this fathers de, give him the gift that 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be nice if the rest of us or even most of us but look at how sad this story is. how a man with a loving supportive family and every advantage and opportunity still fell into the roiling abyss of drug addiction and couldn t stop swimming around in this dark waters petty davis writes about her own experiences in dear mom and dad, a letter about family memory and the america we want to know thank you so much for being with us. you re just as it was so lovely and to your point in the op-ed, i mean, do you think basic humanity and empathy are possible in this hyper-partisan moment, the country is in well, i mean, on some days i think it s not possible some days i think it s extinct, but i think we have to keep looking for that and we have to keep reaching for it and i think even some of the comments from jurors expressed sympathy and compassion for hunter because this is at its root. this is not this story about a hunter biden is not a political story. i don t even think really at its right. it s a crime story even though he was convicted of some crimes but i think at its root it is a very sad story about addiction and a disastrous choices that addicts make and the ripple effects of those choices in families, lives and over time, i mean, obviously this is yes, it doesn t here s the thing about about an attic. when you, when you re addicted, your world is very insular. everything is about you and the substance that you re addicted two, that s that s kind of it, right and once you if you are fortunate enough to let go of that addiction and to stop using whatever substance it is, whether it s drugs or alcohol, you don t immediately change your mode of thinking. you don t immediately like break get out of that, that takes a lot of work and a lot of time and i am assuming that hunter biden is going through that. now. he starting to realize the extent that his addiction had on everybody else. i think it was very poignant for him. probably seeing his daughter testify in court, which has a really difficult thing to do you were candid about your own struggles with addiction in your teens and early 20s. the piece you wrote for the time, as you said, as the daughter of first governor and then no president, i do know what it s like to live under a glaring unforgiving spotlight than never dims the choices you make in your life. the mistakes, the stumbles are preserved forever and sometimes tossed out in front of you like a minefield, you have to keep crossing it s i mean, first of all, you re really a lovely writer. what kind of scrutiny to you in terms of what did that scrutiny due to you in terms of drug use, what was it like living under that kind of scrutiny? well my drug use wasn t made public. i mean, i have made a public because i ve talked about it since, but i basically i didn t get caught you know, i mean, i wrote about in his book how and my father was governor. i used to i used to drive at those so bored at site in sacramento on this summer s, i used to drive up to folsom prison because they hadn t gift shop how i found out that it keeps other calls from prison. i have no idea. it s not like a 70s. not like i go to google them, but i did and i used to like smoke a joint on the way going to force some prison completely stone, probably with other joints in my purse fortunately, they didn t search my purse, but a friend of mine when she read this story in my book said, well, were you worried that they would smell it on, you know, i never thought about that. so i never got clot. but, you the thing that follows me around, what is my activism in the 80s when my father was president in my sort of stridency and the anti-nuclear movement whenever i not whenever i read something about myself, but a lot of times, if i read something about myself, it s patty davis, the rebel daughter of president reagan, who protests protested his policies and everything. it was 40 years ago that is the reality of that political spotlight, which is the harshest spotlight imaginable and unfortunately, hunter biden is going to be followed by this for the rest of his days. it s just the way that s spotlight has a shelf life of like forever you know, especially now with cameron phones and laptops and social media and all of it, which obviously was involved in industry i mean, that was not around when you were right you were doing that? yeah. yeah. you referenced in your offset president biden ruling out a pardon for his son. you wrote i m quite sure it wasn t the answer. they re grieving. father wanted to give, but his sons actions and his sons illness forced him into a choice between the primal urge to protect a child and the public responsibility to uphold the law that is a terrible place to be. did you ever think when when your dad was present that did you ever worry about about it becoming known or as my drink? yeah. well, i owe well, as governor, i didn t think about it because i was, you know, just too strung out on drugs, i didn t think about it, frankly and by the time he was president, i had stopped doing drugs but i think like i was saying that that sort of self consumed mode of thinking, i think that was still very much my mode of thinking in the 80s when my father was elected president. and because if i ve been thinking more expansively, i think i would have expressed myself differently and not as stridently i think i d probably still would have spoken out about the anti-nuclear in the anti-nuclear movement because i believed in it very strongly but i would have done it differently but i didn t i you know what i mean? it was still that well, i m going to do what i want to do. yeah mentality patti davis. thank you so much for your time thank you. i mean, by cnn exclusive are rare inside look at detention facilities and syria housing. not only captured isis fighters wear their wives and children, one of whom tells her clarissa ward, we don t even know what we ve done morehead we ve never spoken. but you ve 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see again. she mount mazama shared for the first time with cnn these images weren t captured in rocco or mosley in 2016 they were taken in 2022 in the alice hello camp in northern syria the sprawling dumping ground for the women and children captured after isis was defeated five years after the fall of the caliphate, isis is ideology lives on here security officials warn it is a ticking time bomb ungovernable and hostile to the outside world. you can see just how fast this places more than 40,000 people are living here in the most dangerous part of the camp is called the annex. that s where some 6,000 foreign nationals are currently within we were granted exceptionally rare access to the annex by the us back syrian democratic forces, sdf, who control for all the camp the women here hail from more than 60 different countries. several raise their right index fingers for the cameras, sign of solidarity with these hello mic state. do you regret your decision to join isis or wash she complains that the conditions in the camp are awful there are people in the world who will say you went to join isis you deserve it you deserve it. what do you say to that? normally if enemies. yeah. women and children need for the majority of alcohols residents our kids who have ended up here through no fault of their own un has called it a blight on the conscience of humanity. it is effectively a prison camp. are women and children are arbitrarily and indefinitely detained a group stops us with a frantic plea one of their sons has been arrested trying to escape the camp. she s asking if she can get her son back, who s in a prison? he s got me for monday need that youth march. we wanted just send them out so the sdf wouldn t take him. she tells us once boys turn 12, here, they take them it is a troubling story we hear over and over again the sdf says, it is their policy to separate adolescent boys because they are being radicalized by their mothers so an sdf raid earlier this year netted this video of a training session for children inside the camp. the sdf claims young teenage boys are married off to repopulate the next generation of isis fighters they say may explain the roughly 60 births recorded here every month this is where for some of those boys end up after they are taken. the or cash rehabilitation center conditions here are much better than camps, but there are only 150 beds and they are all full shamil. chuck car grew up in cologne, germany until his parents took the family to the isis capital rocha, a shrapnel injury to his head has left shamil confused how old are you chem omega my without if you don t know shamil was living in our whole camp with his mother and siblings until a few years ago when security forces came into their tent in the middle of the night in colombia enough for a man came and pulled me up and type my hands behind my back. my mom was screaming. she said leave him alone. he tells us i didn t want to go with them. he pushed me saying put on your shoes, but i didn t hit me islam is from dagestan, russia and is one of the youngest boys here it s via mama so he s saying that he is just 12-years-old he has been here about three or four months, he was taken from his mother. he doesn t even know what his last name is human rights organizations have said this separations are on a pauling violation of international law but the sds top general muslim abdi defends the policy. no drug. instead of these organizations condemning what we re doing in court pulling into human rights violation, these organizations should give us help when it comes to our program that we have in place for years now to rehabilitate these children. but part of the problem seems to be that once these young boys turn 18, there s not anywhere for them to go, particularly if they can t return to their home countries and so some of them i believe are ending up in prison necessity taken when he says that this is not a policy that we are following to put them in prison at 18 the reality is the goal is to reintegrate them with society but cnn has found that boys as young as 14 had been held here at the notorious panorama prison with an estimated 4,000 inmates. it is the largest concentration of isis fighters in the world. no journalist has been allowed inside panoramas since 20 2021 until now so the head of the prison has asked me to put on a head scarf while we walk through here because these are some of the most radicalized prisoners they have a senior us official told us the number one concern at panorama is the prison break. the fear that was realized in 2022 when hundreds of inmates managed to escape and i look inside 25 men sit cross-legged in silence cell is spotless. the men we see appear to be in indecent physical condition but tuberculosis is rampant in the prison and we are only allowed to look in side2 cells that you versus your, where he found a british man approaches the great but does not want to show his face i know advocacy groups called the us funding did panorama illegal black hole worse than guantanamo bay in an interrogation room? we meet 19-year-old stephane uj or lou from suriname. he tells us he was brought to the prison when he was 14, along with more than 100 other miners have you had a lawyer ever you talk to a lawyer i don t know about the big guys. you speak a about the kids assume feeling know the truth. you don t know even why we re always like punished as like five years in prison and replenished we don t even know what we ve been imprisoned because of our times at the sdf intelligence headquarters. we meet british pakistani dr. mohammed socket accused of joining isis. he claims he was the victim of an ally elaborate kidnapping plot. it says panoramas. inmates are abused so we live in torture. i live in fear we say you live in torch sure. do you mean that you are actually physically being tortured? this happens on and off what kind of torture, like beating by the stick by the gods? to. be honest, i m just waiting for my death. there s no getting out of this business. probably never the warden at and a rama called soc claim of abuse false, saying, quote, all parts of the prison are monitored by cameras and no prison guard can act in this way. the sdf and the us are pushing countries to repatriate their citizens from syria, saying it is the only solution to this complex and dangerous situation. but the process has been slow and many including western allies are dragging their feet in the owl rose camp, we may, brits, canadians, belgians australians, and a couple of americans survive. basically 30-year-old hoda methanol has been stuck. here are 7-year-old son for more than five years. i have to ask you, i m seeing all of the women here are fully covered. a lot of them covering their faces you re not covered, you re wearing a t-shirt is that hard it was hard when i first took it. i would say for the first 23 years people were not accepting of it, and they harassed us a lot. they stole our stuff in i had to stay strong and show example for my son born and raised in the the us, hoda became radicalized online at the age of 20, left her family in alabama to live under isis a decision she quickly regretted if you were to be able to go back to the us and you had to go on trial, potentially serve time prison. have you reconciled yourself without possibility i always tell myself that i m going to prison would be a step forward in my life if i had any time to serve, i d server and not come out and begin my life with my son for now. that is not an option. while the us advocates repatriation, it ruled hold is us citizenship invalid on a technicality, i didn t write now, she lives in fear for her son s future what do you miss most about america i just want to breathe at moroccan era and be around people. i loved the people of america they re very open and they re very forgiving and they re very, they re people who gives second chances and i think if they were to sit down with me and listen to my story from the beginning, they would give me a second chance but second chances are hard to come by here. for most repentance is demanded. and forgiveness rarely given as the cost of ignoring this ugly crisis continues to mount of course, the word joins us now, i mean, it s extraordinary to think of all these people in this limbo. you said the us government and rule the citizenship of the american woman who spoke with invalid on technique kennedy. what else what else do you know better situation node and what viewers authorities commented at all? yes. so we ve reached out anderson to the state department about who does case and they said to us the department has not changed its position with regards to ms madonna s citizenship status as the state department determined in the courts agreed she is not and never was a us it is isn t. we also heard anderson from her lawyer who responded if hoda methanol is not a us citizen than she is stateless. and that is a violation of international law. the directly contradicts what the us government has stated. other countries cannot and should not do. and i should add anderson that a senior us official it told us there are about a dozen americans who are still in these camps in northeastern syria. the repatriation process is not straightforward though, because many of them, unlike hoda, don t actually want to go back. we spoke to one woman who asked not to be identified. she said that she has not put her hand up yet. she is a dual well, national and that she doesn t feel comfortable returning to the us because she s too afraid that she might have to face time in prison. anderson, clarissa ward. thank you. incredible report thank you. more. breaking news tonight. a bus hijacking in atlanta and the deadly discovery after the police chase through city streets in the interstate during tonight s rush hour. that in a first in nevada politics, voting isn t just being done behind curtains today now 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in and out of traffic through city streets and onto the highway where elana police officers desperately tried to get the bus pulled over. our initial call was of a gunman on on the bus that was holding hostages and possibly there had been a discharge of a weapon that was the initial nine will one call that call disconnected and then a short time later we receive another 91. we ll call also from the bus and that line remained open for the entire time. officers tried blocking the bus in the attempt to use stop sticks, but the bus avoids early attempts to stop it. all of it through atlanta s rush hour traffic at one point, the bus almost hits this truck. it s worth around the car and then veers into traffic his driver s scramble to get out of the way. a gunman with a gun to the head of a bus driver saying, don t stop this bus or else worse will have this is the type of thing, obviously, no one is i mean, it seems like the movies later the bus narrowly misses another group of cars as it drives on the left side of the road before coming to a stop on this tree-lined road, there were 17 individuals on the bus and putting the bus driver unfortunately, as the mayor has stated, one individual has died of injuries which we believe to be a gunshot wounds. this is gonna be a joint investigation by the atlanta police department as well. was from the georgia bureau of investigation. we currently do have in custody a 39-year-old joseph career officers from several police departments surround the bus. you can see someone coming out with their hands up before he gets on the ground. police at the ready, guns drawn with a tactical armored vehicle on the scene police find one person shot and killed anderson. we re also finding out the man who was arrested as a convicted felon, but i want to tell you something we were doing a news conference about that earlier shooting and this start happening. i got a phone call from a source that was saying they could see several police cars chasing this car through the streets of atlanta there was very harrowing. in fact, they saw officers trying to use their car to block that bus, but such a large vehicle moving through the city it s amazing that no one else got seriously injured even know, sadly one person did lose their life on that bus today? yes, i m just terrifying ryan young. thank you. now, to exclusive new reporting voting from behind bars, unique development in the narrowly divided state of nevada, which could determine who wins the white house in which party controls the senate. or murray has more inside the largest jail in sin city. that s my first time voting for the first time that you ve ever voted in any election is when is here in the detention? yeah. natalie inmates escorted to this holding cell and then a voting booth. the first one ever set up in the clark county detention center in la las vegas. nor you suppress that there was going to be a voting booth here today yeah, i was surprised. yeah, i was i didn t expect that its debut just in time for primary de the result of a new law wiring improved ballot access for thousands of non felons detained in nevada s jails. soon after the booth opened, the first voter cast her ballot. how did it feel to be able to cast your your vote it felt nice, actually felt good for activists shigella chambers. you can put that on my epa ten it s a hard-fought victory there is a pressure for us to shine brightly on this first run. a felony conviction after a violent altercation during college costs, chambers his freedom and his voting rights for more than five years. i feel that someone who is doing this work needs to be formerly incarcerated to engage that population now he works for the non-profit silver state voices, running outreach to thousands of potential voters behind bars one of the first bullet points on here it says why you cannot vote, okay, that s a key. you cannot vote if you are serving a sentence on a felony conviction in a city or county jail, then it makes clear if you re pretrial for serving on a misdemeanor you re eligible jackpot. one of the biggest hurdles, convincing eligible incarcerated voters to cast a ballot amid polarization and misinformation patient more than 2,500 ballots were cast by individuals whose names and dates super match incarcerated felons. do you think that has an impact on even people who are eligible? it s about without question, without question it took months and the threat of lawsuits for jails to get up to speed. we had an election happened, but no jail fully. what s compliant? and what the law facilities across the state worked with voting rights groups like the aclu and election workers to finally ensure ballot access ahead of tuesday s primary their vote should not be any less important than the individuals that are out here. and unfortunately, they face those barriers that we were here on outside, don t even really you think about those barriers, the basics for those who are behind bars postage for change of address forms blue and black pens to fill in balance and at least in this jail, a polling booth, something that goes beyond what the law requires. this is something that is a first for us and i think we re going to probably do it better than anybody else. we ve tried to progress cells on that. there really was no model for us to follow. we ve had a couple of opportunities to make sure we get it right for the general election in november chambers hopes this is one step toward politicians actively campaigning for voters behind bars in clark county. you have potential victory is lying in those sales at least for now. i want to i guess is it makes a huge difference night, i step toward voters like elliot carver hall, having their voices heard it felt a little bit of empowerment, a little, just a little bit, a little tiny bit sara marie joins us now from las vegas. so this is the first time these voting booths had been used. how did the process go? it went pretty smoothly, although there were voters who showed up to vote and found out they were actually registered in a different county or in some cases, in a different state which is indication of the education gap that still exist for those who are behind bars. there were dozens of folks who wanted to vote from the jail today and we expect that that s cut number is going to be even larger when we get to the general election in november. this was sort of a dry run for the big event
in better than better-than-expe cted, the market good love if futures way up right now, we have the latest moments ago, us secretary of state antony blinken suggested that hamas is moving the goal posts on ceasefire and hostage hostage negotiations. so where do things stand now and just in italian media reporting, the pope tuesday, homophobic slur behind closed doors again, this is a second and consecutive months sara sidner is out. i m john berman with kate baldwin in this is cnn news central all right the breaking. news that type of in-flight inflation data that a lot of people were hoping for. let s get right to cnn s rahel solomon with the very latest on this. what are the numbers show real? yeah, john, it may be somewhere outside, but it is cooling off in the inflation report, at least this inflation report. so this is cpi, the consumer price index. and what it shows is a better-than-expec ted measure on really every level, john. so let s talk about headline annual inflation that came in at 3.3%. this index increasing at 3.3% that is better than we saw the month prior. that is better than economists were expecting when you look at it on a monthly basis. and we haven t seen a figure like this since july of 2022. i want to say, and so inflation did not increase on a monthly basis. you like to see that now cpi is a basket of goods and services and the government sort of measure jurors that the price difference over time. so that s what we re talking about here. but john, even if you were to remove volatile categories, categories like food categories like energy, you get what s called core inflation. and this is a better underlying indicator of inflation and what the federal reserve has control over that also came at better-than-expected, both on ahead blind annual basis and on a monthly basis, really quickly to talk about some of the sectors which we re showing you here. gas prices, energy prices, those fell, food prices did tick up slightly ever so slightly and shelter, which has been especially stubborn has also increased in the month widget continues to do. now, let me tell you why futures are popping on this news are so happy about the zoo s investors welcoming this news with open arms because john, as you might remember earlier this year, we had a string not sure if the dow is correct because a moment ago when i saw the dow, it was actually up about 220 points, so we ll work on that for you. but the reason why futures were largely up, at least they were a few moments ago, is because we had gotten a string report after report after report, whether it was inflation, whether it was a labor market that was coming in stronger than expected? what that did those hot reports essentially through water on the idea that we might see rate cuts anytime soon. and so you get a report like this. i ll pull it up here. you get a report like this from the bls, which suggests that, okay, inflation is starting to cool again, it is starting to accommodate, be accommodating. well, that and puts rate cuts back on the table. there are four right. meetings. the rest of this year after this meeting, we will obviously here from jay powell and about six hours. but after this meeting, there are four meetings and so do we see more than one rate cut again? and so it just makes that conversation more active again because after these really hot inflation reports, it started to feel like, well, maybe we won t get any rate cuts or maybe we will only get one. and so we re back in the game, john, for all of those who were hoping for a rape gut, they are back in the game after a report like this, back in the game inflation slows down more than expected. what people want to see were hell solomon, thanks so much for explaining it so well, thank you. so president biden is headed to italy today. he s about to take off. you can see air force one right there. he s headed to italy for the g7 summit. there biden will be sitting down with world leaders with huge issues on the agenda, including the israel-hamas war. and moments ago, secretary of state tony blinken made his first substantive remarks after hamas offered its response to the us backed hostage and ceasefire deal approved by the un security council. this week. listen to tony blinken hamas has proposed numerous changes to the proposal that was on the table. we discussed those changes last night with depression colleagues and today with the prime minister some of the changes are workable some are not blinken, not immediately providing detail on what changes hamas once what the numerous changes are that they re proposing, seen as robertson is in italy ahead of the g7 summit. and nick tony blinken when out of his way to say g7 liters are among those who have all voiced their support for this hostage and ceasefire deal yeah, they have. so when they meet here where president biden everyone gets into town late tonight and i began meeting tomorrow perhaps this is not going to be a central ticket item on the planned agenda. but because of the bumps and the road getting to where we re at on these talks that egypt and qatar interlocutors on. undoubtedly, there s gonna be some discussion about how the g7 nations can help me please the ball forward because the narrative has been put pressure on hamas, put pressure on hamas it doesn t matter which diplomats in which country you re talking to either in the region or in europe that s the narrative at the moment. so you will have here the leaders of the ua and turkey who are not members of the g7, but will be undoubtedly consulted in conversations about how they can use their influence over hamas luck. we know that they re hamas leaders, the political leaders who live outside of gaza so they ve been to turkey, they ve met with president erdogan, the uae. has, has an influence in the region as well. saudi arabia, crown prince it s mohammed bin salman s still not clear as of yesterday because of the health of the king back in saudi arabia, whether or not he ll be here, but he s also invited and a key stakeholder and the humanitarian support and the rebuilding of gaza when there s a piece they ll, so these countries do have implements and do have a voice. so perhaps there ll be brought into the conversation, but it s not clear how they are actually going to leverage hamas who have already been under a lot of pressure already, who are clearly holding out for they think they re in a better position. we heard that indicated from the hamas leader yahya sinwar he thinks that they have israel, right where they want them according to documents seen by the wall street journal. so it s not clear what pressure can be applied, but conversations here that will be the question asked, how do we do and how do we move the ball forward? yeah, quite a moment in this one of many important issues that the world leaders are going to be hitting on great to have you, nick, thank you so much, john. with us now, max boot, a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations, washington post columnist and the author of reagan, his life and legend, max, it is great to see you. i just want to read you again with the secretary just said because his words were carefully chosen and i think reflect the moment we re in the ceasefire and hostage discussions. the secretary said you get to a point where if one side continues to change its demands, including making demands on insisting on changes for things that had already accepted you have to question whether the proceeding and good faith or not. he says hamas is changing as demands. he says, the gaps he thinks are bridged able. but what do you make this? well, i m doubtful that the gaps are actually bridge evolving. we ve seen this going on for many months where the us has been searching for a ceasefire. it seems like there s progress being made, but at the end of the day, it falls through on in this case, it s falling through because of hamas and obviously israel it gets a lot of international criticism and understandably so because of all the civilian casualties being inflicted in gaza, but let s listen to what secretary blinken, president biden, and other g7 liters are saying, which is that right now, the fault lies with hamas. they could stop the war tomorrow if they would just agree to these ceasefire terms. they refuse to do so because as nic robertson was pointing out there s every indication that the hamas leadership thinks that s in their interest to see more dead palestinians, because that puts more pressure on israel. this proposal has the weight of un approval. you also think egypt, qatar, other nations, or more invested. seems like they re more invested in at this time maybe then they had been before. does that have any soy with hamas? sure doesn t look like it. i mean uis sinwar, who is hiding probably in some tunnel and in gaza has just rejected these terms. and the biden administration had some hopes that they could use egypt and qatar and other arab states to pressure him clearly, it has not worked. sinwar is playing his own game and he doesn t seem to care how many palestinians pay the price for continuing this war? so president biden on his way to europe right now for these g7 meetings hell of a lot is going on in europe over the last few days. these european parliament elections where the far-right parties have done very well extremely well in countries like france where emmanuel macron has called the snap elections. how do you think that will impact? the discussions over the next few days? well, clearly this is going to be something that all of the g7 liters can commiserate over aside, of course, from prime minister meloni, the host of italy, who is herself from the far-right. so she doesn t see this as a threat. i would just put what happened in europe and a little context, john, which has yes, the big story certainly from france in particular, is the very strong showing of the national rally, the far-right party. but keeping having it all in perspective, they re also a lot of countries where the far-right did not do so on that end of the day, the far-right is stilled, only going to be something like the fifth largest party in the european parliament. it s still the center right? in the center left, which are the largest party. so let s not exaggerate and let s keep in mind that and in a few weeks time in the uk the labour party is almost certain to win a massive landslide election victory. so i would not say that the far-right is taking over all of europe, but clearly they are resurgent in france and germany in particular. and that is something that is of mutual concern not only to president biden, but his fellow g7 liters, in part because so many of these far-right parties are sympathetic to russia. some of them have been financed by russia. and so they are not going to continue to support ukraine if they reach power you have this book on ronald reagan, which is so interesting in such an interesting moment because president biden for the anniversary of d-day, the 80th anniversary, just spoke in places and spoke in ways very reminiscent of where and how ronald reagan spoke 40 years ago in a way. and i don t think it was a mistake. i think this is very much on purpose suggesting that his foreign policy binds is much more similar to ronald reagan s than donald trump s is to ronald reagan s. yeah. so and i don t think that was a coincidence. that was the message you wanted to convey without coming out what i m saying so and it s one of these great ironies of history. in 1984 when, when ronald reagan was in europe for the 40th anniversary of d-day and gave of course, is very famous speech about the boys upon to hawk. he was really talking about the need for transatlantic unity for strengthening nato in the face of the soviet threat. and now president biden is trying to deliver a very similar message about strengthening nato in the face of the russian threat knowing of course that ronald reagan s own party has largely abandoned the very positions that he espoused in the 19. and i think he s trying to drive home. the fact that in fact, as you say, his foreign policy has a lot more in common with ronald reagan s than it does with donald trump s next food. great to see you looking forward to reading the book, i appreciate it. all right a special election overnight with the republican candidate underperforms where donald trump was before. so how significant? is that and then a supreme court ruling, could that end up helping hunter biden after his conviction on doug charges? and one of america s greatest athletes. i mean a legend. no one is like this man will not compete in the preeminent contest in his field. how can we let this stand hi, i m hearing music check to check. one-to-one to check, check i do not hear myself that i do not hear any echo myself. no. everything sounds normal. just so your music hey, thank you hortness of breath and your regular 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stream on max this morning, hunter biden is a convicted felon. he is expected to appeal his conviction on these felony gun charges, and is supreme court ruling on a separate case. might be in his favor, or at least it s certainly something his lawyers are going to cite. let s get right to cnn senior supreme court analyst joan biskupic, the author of nine black robes out now in paperback so what are hunting a hunter? biden s lawyers looking at when it comes to the suffering in court sure. good to see you, john. it s just a coincidence that right now this case of hunter biden will be proceeding on appeals as the us supreme court is clarifying the rules for when a defendant can challenge a federal gun regulation right now, the justices are resolving just what those standards should be and the whole or deal with the court traces to a ruling two years ago that greatly expanded second amendment gun rights. the justices world in a way that said that a gun regulation could be upheld only if it s part of america s historical tradition of firearm regulation. that is very high standard to make meat. and it s also a confusing standard for lower court judges who have tried to look at what about gun possession for someone who was a drug addict or a drug user as in hunter biden s case, or in the case the justices are deciding right now, what about someone who is is subject to a domestic violence restraining order and under federal law would be prohibited from owning a firearm that individual man by the name of rahimi has challenged the case. the justices are now deciding and john, they could even give us an answer as soon as tomorrow. and the question is, how does that standard from two years ago tied to the historical tradition of firearm regulation, play out. now for what you would think would be more modern regulations, for example, for someone subject to a domestic violence restraining order. so we ll get more clarity from the justices. on that part of federal firearms law. but at the same time, there s also a case up there that really is similar to a hunter biden s where a defendant is challenging a part of the federal law that prohibits gun possession for someone who either was a drug user or addicted to drugs at the time. and a lower court has ruled that under the supreme court s test of two years ago, that federal law can cannot be enforced. the federal government is defending that law in the case of another defendant not at all related to the hunter biden case. but as you can see, john, however, the justices begin to clarify this will affect how hunter biden might be able to appeal his gun conviction, john? yeah. no question about that. the lawyers we pouring through the ruling word by word jump is keep a great to see this morning. thank you. kate. and joining us right now is democratic strategists keith boykins. he s a former clinton white house aide and cnn senior political commentator, david urban, republican strategist and former trump campaign adviser, david, there is the legal reaction and the legal future when it comes to hunter biden s case. and then there s the political reaction to this case. i want to play for you how the room so get republican house speaker reactant to this verdict but mr. speaker, you ve been saying two tier system of justice for some time. here s the president said, be convicted on three counts as that undercut your client it doesn t every case is different and clearly the evidence is overwhelming here. i don t think that s the case and the trump drop and then there s this from james comer. today s verdict is a step toward accountability, but until the department of justice investigates, everyone involved in the purported scheme, mr. comer said statement, it will be clear. department officials continue to cover for the president reiterating what remains baseless claim that president biden has been involved in bribery scheme. david is, yes, but a strong strategy on the tail of this now a look, i think that is case stands by itself if republicans just can t acknowledge that the justice was served here, this case was brought. it was a strong case, a hunter biden faces yet another case coming up september 5, he s being tried just as anyone else would be tried i think that it s just it s reality. there are two things can be true here, kate donald trump was found guilty by a jury in new york, which was overwhelmingly voted against donald trump in the general election, and 100 biden was found guilty in a state where his family is love and beloved. i mean, you saw the jurors the jury pool here. lots of folks ties to the biden family, and he was convicted. so i don t believe that the statement by the by the speakers hundred percent correct. that there are two systems of justice here. i think this case kind of illustrates that point. if the president had something to do with it, you think it let his son is lost, one son to tragic death and he s got a sudden now whose face some serious, serious substance abuse issues clearly what it put his thumb on the scale if he could ve right to preclude this from happening, and it didn t happen. so i think republicans need to figure out a different talking point. for this specific case. yeah. qizan apply for you then reaction from democratic congressman jamie raskin on how his take on how democrats are responding. listen to this and i m not heard a single democrat anywhere in the country cry fraud cry fixed, cry, rigged a cry. kangaroo court. you don t hear a single peep out of any democrats saying that why we believe in the rule of law when they go low, we go high is the oldest new strategy going to work for democrats when it comes to this contrast between donald trump and his response, and the democrat response to what happened with hunter biden is stark and dramatic. it s a reflection of what american politics excuse to be where we believed in the rule of law and we respect to the outcomes of jury trials. that s what a president and a presidential candidate. it was supposed to do the idea that donald trump was accusing biden of weaponizing the legal system against him in a case in new york that biden had nothing to do with this is outrageous and david urban made the point, i think precisely that why would he, of all people in the hunter biden case, if why would you because some republicans, by the way, when making the argument that somehow biden is using this case to prosecute hunter biden to somehow suggested that means that he s doing hello, guys donald trump junior being one of them. yeah. right. it somehow they misused. do we it because he wants to prove that the system is fair. it s double back yeah. and it s so complicated, it s even hard for me to explain and it just doesn t make any sense and it why would he prosecutors own sunday to prove the point? why would he make a sudden the fall guy to prove a point doesn t make any sense. the other point is just ridiculous is that they keep moving the goal post because at first they were saying that he would never be you ve never been prosecuted than he was prosecuted. then they said he would never be convicted in part because they said because they were black jurors and the black jurors would never convict a biden in delaware. and now they re making up other conspiracy theories. i think david urban is right that they need to move on and start talking about things that we can actually make sense for the american people. like, what are you going to do about, about jobs they re gonna be about wages and health care and where they re going to do about housing and things that people care about. not about donald trump trials. david irvin making sense, not on my show. that s not allowed data urban oh, come on i was just gonna say real quickly there were some people yesterday or the day before talking about how this case wouldn t be brought against hunter biden if he wasn t the president s son? hey well be true, but i think at the same time i need to acknowledge that what what your colleague fareed zakaria hit publicly stated that the case in new york city, what had been brought against donald trump, if if the defendant wasn t named donald j. trump. so i think that instance both things can be true as well. yeah. david, this morning, we are seeing the power of donald trump s endorsement truly, i mean, after it was put to the test and big republican primaries last night, six candidates, these six candidates all endorsed by trump, all victorious. so here you re going to do our price door number one. this is a sign that trump s endorsement carries more weight even though his rocking endorsement record has more to do with general election, not primary is carrying more weight now, nor number two, trump has gotten better at picking winners, meaning he s actually listening to his strategies and tacticians around him were doing number three, something else altogether i like three, i like all three of them. kate there s just like do i have to pick what i think look, i think he s gotten better at picking winners. i think his endorsement matters now more than ever, his popularity is soaring is through the roof poll after poll shows that donald trump it s not just dominating in republican polling, is dominating across the nation and especially in republican primaries. and three, candidates matter when you have good candidates running in elections, they win. and so in these republican primaries, trump, donald trump has been with the help of some allies and colleagues, bint picking better candidates. it s time endorsing better candidates. they have better candidates running and his populated is an all-time high. so i think all three-year points are valid. kate door number all i didn t give you an all of the above choice, so i don t know where this ends. again, david urban not making sense is where we re going to end this program. it s good to see you both biggies alleged keep it s great to see you so coming up for 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us what he said us response to what, excuse me. sorry, i wasn t on my mic down there. this is the first us response to that hamas response to the proposal that was on the table, the secretary of state saying that numerous changes were put forth by hamas. some of them are workable and some of them are not clearly trying to strike a tone of hopefulness, but also frustrated with the fact that hamas has come back questioning their legitimacy, how seriously they are engaging in these talks, because some of the things that they have put forth in this counterproposal here. the changes they are proposing are positions that they have previously taken and effectively the united states believed that they had moved on from that point, but the secretary of state made it clear that they are determined to try and bridge the gaps here, the secretary said in his view, they are bridged able, but he s just not sure if there ll be able to get there, but made the case that a deal here is in the benefit of both the palestinians and the israelis listen to what he said single most effective and most immediate way to end the suffering of people in gaza to end the suffering if palestinians and israelis like to tackle the humanitarian assistance crisis to prevent the conflict from further escalating and spreading to other places. is to get a ceasefire that allows us to get to work toward a more durable end to the conflict here again, qatar has been a tireless pardon? during the prime minister personally a tireless partner in working to mediate a ceasefire now he said that in the coming days they re going to be engaged in what he called an urgent push to try and get both of these sides to bridge the gaps. and also in the coming weeks, he said that the united states and the there partners, it has been working with are going to roll out proposals for the day after plans in gaza with regard to governance and how gaza will look after this conflict is over. he said that will be key if they re going to be able to take a ceasefire and make it into an enduring peace. but of course, john, in order to get there, they ve got to get a ceasefire agreement and they simply are not there today know and it seems like the situation getting even more precarious in terms of these talks, but we will see what the next few days break highlight, what great to have you there. thank you very much for your report. we have brand new economic data released this morning, future soaring are as there are signs that inflation has cooled, more than expected then russia is sending warships, including nuclear-powered submarine to the water s not far from the coast of the united states. so what is the us response alder james is cold, calculating, cynical, and needs the money, not only was the cia compromise, he also was comparable secrets and spies, a nuclear game. sunday at ten on cnn. this is a futurama go daddy arrow creates a logo website, even social posts in minutes ai, ai like it who wants to go see that 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might not be going their way or is it let s get the very latest from cnn s lauren fox. you ve been assigned to go count those votes. lauren, where things stand right now? yeah it s been a moment to moment situation. we did hear from republican leaders as they were entering their gop conference meeting this morning, steve scalise the majority 40 liters said it s really important that republicans get this passed, get this out of their chamber today. he said that that is the hope that is the expectation. meanwhile, tom emmer her would not say whether or not the votes were there. he of course, is the republican vote counter that is his gig and he made clear that they plan to vote today, but he would not let s say whether or not the votes would be there. you re going to expect that behind closed doors as we speak, republicans are wrestling with what to do. there had been some concern but there might be some moderates who were on the fence and leaning against voting for this proposal. but again, it just all matters because of such a narrow majority 40 in the house, the speaker can only afford to lose two republican votes. that means they have to count very carefully when they have these close votes coming to the floor. so we ll see whether or not they ultimately put that on the florida de the rule vote happening at 10:30 a.m. john and looking at them, i don t mean to be glib here, but counting is hard. it has been hard for this particular group of republican leadership, but that s because of the way the members have been behaving on fox. thanks so much. keep us posted. news is say, okay, this morning there s also some welcome news on the inflation front, consumer prices rose 3.3% in may compared to a year earlier, slowing even from april s rate of cooling off and on a monthly basis, prices were flat, slower, which means better pace than april. this read on the us economy also is coming just hours before the federal reserve makes its latest interest rate announcement. meaning this is a big day on the us economy front, joining me now is one of president biden s top economic aids. well brainard. she s the director of the national economic council. little thank you for being here with the full understanding you all take a lot of qarrah, to not weigh in on the fed and respect the feds independence would you expect the data out just this morning to have a demonstrable impact on what we learn this afternoon yeah. so i don t speak about the fed s policymaking the president respects the independence of the federal reserve. i will say that today s report on inflation, which showed zero inflation in the month an inflation down by two-thirds is welcome news, particularly for families that are feeling squeezed by the cost of living grocery prices down or flat for four months in a row and gas prices below $3.50 at the pump, those are prices that are very important to american families and you re talking about how families are feeling squeezed. and in general, when it comes to the us economy how people feel about the economy is a huge issue it, but how they feel about the overall economy, how they feel about their personal economy. the president s approval rating, and how people feel about the economy remains underwater. we ve showed, we re going to show everyone a graphic kind of tracking his approval on the economy over the course of the year really, from since march of last year. and now it s kind of remaining in the low 30s. if the data is showing improvement and that is what you see with this report today. why aren t people feeling it the. president knows that families have been true. a lot with the pandemic inflation went up with the pants no and he knows that the cost of living is just too high for a lot of families. and he is fighting really hard to lower those was costs and health care, of course, he secured important legislation bringing the cost of prescription drugs down like on insulin to $35 a month. those are real savings. grocery prices. he s been calling on grocery chains to bring prices down. they ve kept their profit margins pretty high in now you see grocery stores answering the call price reductions on thousands of items. grocery prices flat or down from the past few months same on gas prices where we are seeing record production and gas prices coming down, going into the summer driving season. but look, we know for that in coming months, that s the kind of choice that s going to be in front of us whether to keep fighting, to lower costs for middle-class americans, which is at the center of the president s agenda or to be fighting for tax cuts for the ultra wealthy and corporations that s really where the republicans are focusing with all the data that you all are tracking. would you say that the us economy has achieved a soft landing? so i would certainly say, if you look at where we are today with inflation down by two-thirds and continuing to come down unemployment below 4% for the longest period in 50 years, robust growth very high levels of investment meant factory construction. those are all positives, but we really need to keep working on bringing costs down. that s going to be our focus in terms of grocery, housing, gas prices, health care. that s what s going to be important to american families. so you re saying you don t think think a soft landings yet been achieved or you re not comfortable saying, yeah so i think that we have achieved good labor market more imbalanced and inflation coming down, but we have more work to do and so we re going to keep working to keep the labor market at the good place that he is today and continue to bring costs down because we have more work to do there ai is a topic. biden is going to be discussing g7 liters in italy. it s also a big topic when it comes to ai s future impact on the us economy and jobs. sam altman, who is the founder of openai, he said last month later, one of the the things that annoys me most about people who work on ai is when they stand up with a straight face and say, this will never cause any job elimination. this is just an additive thing. this is just about to be great. all been says, all been goes on to say this is going to eliminate a lot of current jobs. this is going to change the way that occur that a lot i m current jobs function and this is going to create entirely new jobs that always happens with technology what are you planning for on this front and elimination of how many jobs on balance yes. so this is an area where the president was really outfront early on lead in the g7. on recognized seeing the promises of ai. but also that there are some downsides to ai and to put a framework in place where we really we grapple with those comprehensively put safeguards in place. and in particular, on workers thought it was very important to work with labor leaders business leaders, to come out with some principles about how to make sure that ai enables workers. workers are trained aim to take advantage of ai tools to enhance their work enhance their productivity. but that there are safeguards against, for instance surveillance that would impinge on privacy and that workers are given an opportunity to use ai tools as opposed to seeing the kind of displacement impacts. so i don t have updated estimates, but i will say we put out a set of principles and we re going to want to work with labor, with business leaders to integrate ai in ways that american workers have the capability to use ai to enhance their jobs and their productivity low, brandon from the white house. thank you so much for coming up so far. pope francis facing new criticism today after he allegedly repeated a homophobic slur in this march time you press rewind with neutrogena rapid regal repair. it has durham proven retinal expertly formulated to target stem cell turnover and fight not one, but five signs of aging. physical results in just one week, neutrogena. i brought in a juror, max protein with 30 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della sera is saying the pope was effectively quoting back in this meeting with priests, quoting back what a monsignor, a senior member of the clergy, had told him. now, look, there are some people in the vatican and the church say francis, who s 87, is a little bit like an uncle or a grandfather who says an inappropriate remarks at the dinner table, but doesn t completely understand the offensive nature of what he s saying. that nevertheless, this is difficult for francis because he is the pope who said, when it comes to gay people, who am i to judge, he s offered blessings to same-sex couples. he s modeled are very different approach for the church when it comes to lgbtq plus catholics. and so the reports of these remarks and they are just reports because we haven t gotten an official transcript from the meetings. but the reports, these remarks are damaging to the pope s efforts, which have been very sustained over the last few years. now, i asked the vatican for response. they put out a statement about the meeting, but the pope allegedly made these remarks and they said, and i quote, the pope spoke of the danger of ideologies in the church and return to the issue of the admission into seminaries of people with homosexual tendencies, reiterating the need to welcome and accompany them into the church and the prudential indication of the digraphs for the clergy. so the vatican saying this was about the admission of priests or men into the seminary. but of course these questions of this reported remarks are damaging for france s efforts when it comes to lgbtq plus catholics. john all right a lot going on there. christopher lamb. thank you very much for that now, a beef over imitation beef major league eating, which is a real thing and is the organization that oversees the famous july 4 nathan s hot dog eating contest and coney island. now says joey chestnut is out this year all over his sponsorship deal with impossible foods, the league apparently has a long-standing rule that competitors cannot represent rival brands even if, even if it is imitation beef. joey chestnut himself, not happy posting on social media that he s disappointed to learn his band from the contest. that s what he says here. really is a phenom. he s won the competition 16 times. he also has the world record for hot dog eating 76, even in ten minutes back in 2021, the mla says they would welcome joey chestnut back once he no longer is working with a competing hotdog brand, truly is one of our country s greatest athletes and it s a shame to see him missing out on this premier competition. i somewhat famously interviewed him last year prior to the hot dog eating contest john verbit, whatever i say, this random thing happened jaume, like i did a story all right, on that one. he told me he goes into competitions, loose an empty. so we leave you with that. thank you so much for joining us. this has been seeing a new central see at a news room, a gym acosta is up next
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israel already accepted all right 5:00 a.m. here in washington, a live look at capitol hill early on this wednesday morning. good morning, everyone. i m kasie hunt. it s wonderful to have you with us for the first time in american history, the child of a sitting president has been convicted of a crime. a jury in delaware finding hunter biden guilty on all three felony charges, two, for lying about his drug use on a federal background check. a third possessing for possessing a gun while addicted to or using illegal drugs. the verdict ended a very stressful week and a half for the biden family. the trial exposing painful details about the extent of hunter s drug use the president embracing his just convicted sun on a tarmac in wilmington shortly after the verdict was handed down, the president releasing the statement, quote, as i said last week, i am the president, but i am also a dad, jill and i love our son and we are so proud of the man he is today. he added as i also said, last week, i will accept the outcome of this case and will continue to respect the judicial process as hunter considers an appeal reaction came in quickly from across capitol hill. here s a little bit from both sides of the aisle but mr. speaker, you ve been saying two tier system of justice for some time. here s the president s son being convicted on three counts that undercut your clients. it doesn t every case is different and clearly the evidence was overwhelming here. i don t think just the case in the trump trial. i ve not heard a single democrat anywhere in the country cry fraud cry fixed, cry, rigged a cry kangaroo court. you don t hear a single peek out of any democrats saying that why we believe in the rule of law all right, journey is down to discuss deaf kite political reporter for axios, stef. good morning to you. thank you so much for being here. good. how would you characterize what we re hearing in reaction to this conviction we ve got a little taste. they re from each side. yeah, it s an interesting democrats have certainly been kind of sticking to the talking point that no one is above the law and they ve been pretty muted in their response or certainly not rushing to the defense of hunter, right now, they re just saying we need to trust the justice system and on the other side, i think it s been interesting to see how republicans are responding to this because of course, we ve heard from some that they are opposed to certain gun laws and they ve been using that as one reason. to kind of push back on the hunter conviction here and we ve also seen republicans say, yeah, maybe they found him guilty in this situation, but this isn t enough. we ve heard from exam, for example, james comer are calling for more investigation into biden family members. so we re seeing them take this and demand more certainly not cheering this very loudly from republicans. yeah, i mean, the way republicans are, i mean, in some ways they re they re almost downplaying it. this was matt gaetz, who of course has been you know it doesn t exactly. shy away from saying inflammatory things. he writes this, the hunter biden gun conviction is kinda dumb to be honest, dbh and then marjorie taylor greene says that what we really should be focused on quote, unquote remains untouched and then she says hunter biden just became the deepstate sacrificial lamb to show that justices balanced, while the other biden crimes remain ignored. she s of course, talking about the sprawling impeachment investigation into the president via some of the business activities of his son that ultimately showed have so far failed to turn up anything extraordinarily incriminating. it does put them in a little bit of a difficult spot when they are saying what they re saying about former president trump s conviction. exactly i mean, the reality is this does undermine some of their arguments that they ve been making for the past several years, that the justice department, that justice system is biased against conservatives and that trump is a victim of this. and now we have hunter biden, the son of the sitting president, a democrat and a very democratic state who is still being found guilty of federal charges. and so that doesn t quite neatly fit into this narrative that republicans have been spinning four. again since 2015, 2016. and so we re seeing them trying to get around on that. of course. and one of the ways they re trying to get around this is by saying, oh see, this was just to make people forget about how bad the case was against trump. they re pointing to this as no politically motivated, still even now, because again, they need to explain this away. how can if the justice system is so rigged, how can hunter biden still be found guilty in a democratic state so in terms of the president himself, i mean, clearly the statement that they put out focused on his role as a dad, you obviously was on camera when he embraced hunter there after this all came down, he did not go to the trial, but his wife, the first lady, jill biden, attended every single day. i mean, what do you hear from sources about how the stress of going through this has affected them as they are the president s campaign for reelection. yeah, i mean, there s no question that joe biden cares a lot about his family. it s a very close-knit family and there s no question that that hunters ongoing issues with addiction and then these criminal cases have impacted him. he is invested the fact that we did see him immediately helicopter to delaware to see hunter after this decision came through shows that he is invested in this. the fact that the first lady was there and you know, every every day at this trial, this is going to impact the family emotionally and it s going to impact joe biden as he is trying to run for reelection in a very closely contested race. whether we see this actually impact 2024 is still an open question. there s no polling that indicates that voters are necessarily going to change. there minds around this. but i do think the biggest impact this could have is on joe biden s focus and how he s willing to campaign and whether he s willing to set this aside and really focus on what needs to be done i mean, look like presidential campaign is a crucible and anything that distracts you has the potential to really kind of effect thanks from a very and he s got this trial coming up in september on tax issues. han fei, those which is of course very squarely in the political calendar, steph. thank you. i really appreciate you. start us off this morning. thank you. alright coming up next here, president biden heading out on another international trip today, plus the southern state with almost a month s worth of rain in a single day more is coming plus the matchup is set to one the most important senate races of the year. but bring you that the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president, one stage 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that starts tomorrow, he ll be meeting with the leaders of france and germany both leaders reeling from heavy defeats in recent european parliamentary elections also, prime minister, british prime minister rishi sunak, he is in the grips of a political storm himself as they all face stiff domestic competition and similar challenges to staying in power i will earn your trust and i will prove to you that only a conservative government led by me will not put are harder and economic stability at risk. this is a situation that i cannot come to terms with the rise of nationalists, of demagogues is a danger for our nation. what do you think you need to accomplish are that debate stage i have to share ready says, remind people what he says and what i believe what he believed my journey me now cnn s max foster live from london. max, good morning to you as i watch this and think about kind of what s unfolding across europe. but also here in the us well, politico wrote it. this way. let s, let s read from it, quote, the three liters or dramatically changing the plot and facing their issues head-on. basically, they argue that the establishment politicians in this case are trying to hold up a global order that is fraying, particularly because of challenges, doesn t totally apply to rishi sunak on the right. but for the germans, the french, and of course, biden here at home with trump it is trying to take on this kind of rising nationalism. how do you look at all of this and what s the conversation like heading into the g7? yeah. well, i think rishi sunak is facing the same thing because whilst the left free labor party is expected to win the election, is the fact that the far right reform party is taken so many votes away from rishi sunak s conservative party. so while he is on the right and the other toura, center-left, they re all in the center and they re all facing a real threat from the right. the idea, i think bringing things forward, macron and sunak bringing on these elections much earlier than people expected. biden going into the debates many people expected, i think is this the theory that if you appeal to the rational side of people with serious policies, then you ll be able to argue that over a longer period of time before people actually go to the polls. but i think the right is very successfully. certainly here in europe, argue it s a bizarre one because they re basically arguing around cost of living, inflation. people can t afford things. so therefore, you need to hunker down stop immigration, stopped sending money to ukraine, stop paying for the environment, which is that idea of the cost of living crisis has always been an argument. the left you successfully in the past and it s in another right is using it. so many people are seeing it really as a failure of the left in many ways, but it s also a big chunk allen s for the center ground yeah. no, it s it s a really interesting way to look at it. i mean, i would also say, i mean, one of the things that is big picture different here and challenging is the security situation, right? i mean the there s an isolationist tendency to the trump situation here. in the the us that quite frankly, really affects how the us will interact with nato, european security. i mean, there are russian warships doing drills 30 miles off the coast of florida that the us military is monitoring right now. and of course there s discussion about how this fits into the recent us decision to allow us weapons to be used across the border with russia. all of that kind of looming over these leaders as they meet know absolutely this is probably says more about russia, doesn t it? this these ships than it does about the us. russia showing its global presence and it s coming through on everything, isn t it? whether right. but they ve been trying to undermine they ve been trying to kind of there s evidence that they ve been trying to encourage and stoke some of this race wing political activity to try and split the west and reduce the security power across the board of the west now, yeah, it s all about creating divisions in the west so they can fill that vacuum with their own or authority in these ships are really a visualization all of that certainly in terms of isolationism, it does come into the right-wing debate here in europe as it does into america, because it s the, question about, do we support ukraine or do we not support ukraine? do we focus our own internal issues? so it all plays into the same thing. so certainly in terms of putin s and she s wider strategy to assert themselves and fill the vacuum on the global stage. the right-wing helps because it brings all the western allies into a more national frame of mind if you like, and less involved in international affairs are very interesting. all right, max foster for us my than london max are grateful to have you. thank you alright. coming up next, senate democrats move to pass a supreme court ethics bill. those in stand 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receive a lesser sentence he also was facing another trial on the horizon, hunter biden s tax trial is set to start on september 5th, joining me now, criminal defense attorney andrew tarkovsky. andrew, good morning to you. thank you so much for being here. can you talk us through what is i likely sentence in this case for the gun charge alone, it is not likely that he will see jail time if you run the federal sentencing calculator, you can get somewhere between about six to ten months as the recommended sentence. but that s well within the area of when judges give some sort of more probationary type of sentence that doesn t have jail time. the problem for hunter is that this conviction, even if it doesn t see jail time on its own, that combined with the september tax trial, if he s convicted of that, would most certainly result in some degree of jail time likely in the neighborhood of a number of years. this conviction would be used as an aggravate are in that case as a factor that would increase the sentence under the guidelines really interesting, what what are the potential sentencing? what would he be looking at if he s convicted on these on these tax charges realistically, that put them at tenure. just give me a little bit more context on what what that could mean. this is an interesting tax case where he has paid his taxes since, but had gone on for a number of years, not only just not paying the taxes but also there s many kind of underlying issues with the way in which he was reporting the taxes, what he was saying he was paying the taxes on versus what he was actually spending his money on. so there are layers of those tax issues at hand. if he s convicted of everything, this is the case that could be generally in the single digits type of years of confinement, i would see a generally in the two to five range, but it s a very difficult number to give you a good idea of at this stage since we don t know what he s convicted of and the federal sentencing guidelines which were once effectively mandatory, are now discretionary. and so it s more of a guidepost. this type of case, tho i think would be in the low single-digits of years of confinement still interesting that there could be repercussions from this case even if there s no jail time here that we could really dramatically affect the outcome there. so can we talk for a second about how the jury made this decision because we are actually and i m interested to know why you think we re hearing so much from the jurors? as it s come out of that we saw some of spoken on camera to other networks this was what one told up politico. they said the defense s decision to call biden s daughter, naomi, to the stand, didn t help his case. i thought it was a mistake. the juror told reporters on tuesday, i think it was probably a strategy they shouldn t have done no daughters should have to testify against her dad at what do you make of what the jurors have come out and said about how they reached this verdict. well, i think it reflects generally the idea that hunter biden was pretty dead to rights the evidence against him was so overwhelming that they had to get to this conviction, but we still see the jurors have sympathy for him. they see this. it sounds like as a relatively minor criminal offense, which it is in scope of federal law and federal criminal prosecutions that typically take place. but that s not necessarily for the jury to decide how serious is this offense. it s a question of what s the evidence actually show us and what s the law say? what the jury isn t essentially debating upon is the impact that s had to the family. the back to those around they seem to indicate this idea that they re hoping that he gets clean and sober go through his rehab. that s all this sort of sympathy that perhaps the defense kind of put forward hoping for a different outcome, whether that was an effort by the defense to actually have jury nullification. we now know that the jury themselves were immune to that. they saw this for what it was calling it a more minor offense. but nonetheless, coming back with the verdict that they say was justice fired by the evidence all right. andrew truck ascii for us this morning, andrew. thank you very much for that. thank you it s good politics now the matchup is set. nevada s incumbent senator democrat jacky rosen will face republican sam brown in the general election this fall. nevada shaping up to be one of the most important states this election cycle as democrats look to hang out on to their razor thin control of the senate. when everyone votes in november, brown is a purple heart recipient and viewed as a rising star among republicans. and so it is tonight we continue to deliver health care to dream is not dead it was now, dad and the marriage of nine-member giovani jacky rosen begins to end tonight as we celebrate tonight, we re not celebrating my campaign for senate we celebrate our campaign for nevada joining me now, do you see correspondent for the nevada independent, gabby birnbaum. gabby. good morning to you so this race, of course, at critical because the senate is literally on a knife edge, right? so every single race matters talk a little bit about me. first of all, he s clearly adopted this dark rhetoric that the trump campaign has about the state of america. this is not the optimistic city on a hill type of message that you would have heard from a ronald reagan era republican. but this does i do think there are some republicans here in washington who think that this was a good outcome. how did this play out? yeah. i mean, republicans, like he said, this is the senate, hangs on literally any one of these seats for democratic incumbents that could flip and republicans would have control the senate. so they ve had this nevada matchups they re called for years in 2022 was the closest senate race in the country. and so as sam brown, this is who the nrsc, i m the national republican senatorial committee. this is who jaylen florida. they re publican governor of nevada. this is the guy they wanted and they got their guy last night by like 44 points in the primary. so it was never really a doubt but yeah. i mean, like you mentioned this, he talks a lot about we don t have an american dream anymore. it s an american nightmare. it reminds me a lot of the american carnage sort of trump first inaugural speech. and i think it shows that question for brown and for all of these challenges this will be how do you appeal to the base that s very pro-trump in states like nevada, where trump hasn t one and pulling this cycle shows maybe this is the year that he does it. but how do you sort of know that this is how you win a primary. this is how you appeal to people while also knowing in nevada it s the non-partisan voters, the independence who you really need to get to that 50% threshold. we ve seen in, in some states that democratic senate, and this is actually backwards from what you sometimes see in other election cycles. but the democratic senate candidates seem to be running ahead of president biden. is that the case in nevada yes. so i mean, you ve seen polls were biden s down by double-digits and rose up like plus one i ve seen polls where trump is up five and rosen s also up five. that d be a level of ticket-splitting and i looked into this and the data does have a pretty significant history of ticket-splitting, but it wasn t a different time when that was just way more for comment. in o for bush won by three points and harry reid, one by 35 points or something. that s very raid specific situation would have been a little yeah. itself, but i think as politics has become more nationalized, as nevada sort of local political culture of boosting incumbents in the senate no matter what, as a small state as that s sort of given way to this national political discourse that s so hyper-partisan. i would be surprised if the split ends up being that big in my mind. who s a trump rozi and voter? it s hard to think of who this person might be. but yes, certainly rozi, like other candidates, is running ahead of biden ben. and so i think it ll be a question for brown now of how do i get these voters who think they re going to vote for trump are considering trump, but might be skeptical of me. how do i speak to them so let s i m talking across. nevada was not the only state that help primers last night. we also had one in south carolina and the primary that was being most closely watched was nancy mace, who of course, voted to oust former house speaker kevin mccarthy. and mccarthy had made it a project to try to get the second name on that screen over the finish line, catherine templeton challenged nancy mace in this it s a charleston area, south carolina district so mace came out on top here. how much of an embarrassment is that for mccarthy? i mean, look, i think it s curious to see what mccarthy we ll do next, right. those rumors that if trump wins, he could be chief of staff or something. i think it just shows that once you re out of congress, you re out of congress, right? here lewin s is somewhat limited in what you can do. he s been trying to behind the scenes enact some sort of revenge on the people who took him down. mace, i think particular really got under his skin because his office had tried to help her with her legislative priorities. there was a good long piece of slate. this week all about sort of her interesting political demeanor. but yeah, confused a lot of people for sure. but i guess, i guess voters and south carolina s first district still felt good about it. so yeah, i do think for mccarthy, like i said, once you re out, you re out with congress yeah. i before i let you go, i want to touch on what we could see play out in the house today. there is some reporting that we have here at cnn that there are a handful of house republicans who are privately voiced concerns about a plan to hold merrick garland in contempt of congress. but they did announce last night they re going to go forward with this vote today. what do you expect on the floor? i think that ll be interesting. i mean, the fact that there s all these reports, the reports that they might have pulled it, the fact that there budding the vote on the floor, i mean, this is not a republican whip team that s been uber successful in exactly where the votes are. so i don t think anyone will be surprised if it were to fail typically, i think but the moderates have been upset about something they usually do, keep it off the floor. they re pretty open with leadership about their concerns. they re not right. the freedom caucus, i m not trying to wreak havoc on the floor. so the fact that they are bringing is a floor or i mean, we ll see i think this is the closer we get to the election, the more and more people are not going to want to take tough votes, particularly on such hyper-partisan things like rice this is a tough thing 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here was blinken yesterday before hamas is response everyone has said yes except for hamas and if hamas doesn t say yes, then this is clearly plea on them all right. told me not to discuss the un global affairs analyst kim dozer. kim, good morning to you. thank you so much for being here. are reporting. is that hamas did submit a response proposing amendments to the israeli proposal, adjustments to the or adding a timeline for a permanent ceasefire. and with thrall from gaza, this there seems to be an awful lot of fog around where each side stands on this proposal at all. can you kind of try to help us understand clearly where are the israelis on this? are they a definitive yes. and what this means from hamas that we saw yesterday today there s one key part of this peace deal that the ceasefire deal that each side keeps trying to change hamas wants to include some sort of permanent ceasefire in the deal what they have, what they ve been offered right now is phases six weeks was submit exchange, and a temporary ceasefire that then becomes permanent after some negotiations midway through they don t want that the israelis meanwhile benjamin netanyahu government he cannot say yes to a deal that has a permanent ceasefire in it because that will instantly dissolve his government. the hard-right members of his coalition have threatened to pull out if he signs up any deal that has a permanent ceasefire in it. so that s why you ve got a lot of stuff decided on the edges. but this one key point hamas wants to be able to survive and keep fighting and netanyahu s political survival is based on making sure hamas can t do that. therein lies the crux of the matter so what is the way out of that? but it s very hard to see it way out of that. that s why the original deal as the white house had shared with the world, has these phases where you get a bunch of the hostages back, you get prisoner exchanges. so that was sweetening it for the palestinian side that they get some of their hardline prisoners out and then you use that momentum of that progress to get through the second stage of the deal. so that perhaps netanyahu could then go back to his hardline coalition and go back to israel haley public and say see, i got all so many of the hostages out. now, it s time to have an off-ramp for this, but you got to agree to the first part to get to that second kim, let s talk about the sort of broader tensions in the region because we have seen slit, escalating back-and-forth between israel and lebanon. the washington post says it s a war that s unfolding in slow motion. and rockets are being launched from lebanon toward israel. how concerned should we be at this point? but this is going to tip into something more significant all along, it seems that the overall strategy of iran, which is supporting hezbollah and supporting hamas, has been to turn the tension up when israel is already on the back foot, just to keep exhausting its army the israeli army has having to go back to certain parts of gaza that it had said it had cleared already, and all of a sudden up in the north, there s an uptick in fighting. it s stretching and exhausting the army and pointing out to israel that if you want to keep going on these two fronts, it s going to cost you more in manpower and eventually in tax dollars because they don t have enough of a standing army to keep up this fight at this point. and that has put pressure on the israeli people to think about, do we? want to be doing this forever? and what that would cost? yeah. i mean, and what does that mean politically for netanyahu? i mean, is he coming under pressure from people? i mean, obviously israel israel as conscription mandatory service in their country. that s got to put some pressure on him. know, there s local israel issue specifically regarding that secular israelis are upset that for the most part, very religious israelis are allowed to opt out of military service. and there s been a fight to make more of them find, to find some way to draft more of them. into the ongoing fight. and that has been working its way through the israeli knesset but the hard-right members of netanyahu s coalition have said, if you force, are religious people to fight we will pull out. so again, netanyahu s caught between the secular folks. so he needs to win the next election and the coalition members he needs to stay in government cheerful. kim toes, you re for us this morning. thank you. i really appreciate your time. all right. so now for sports, do or die in dallas for the maths tonight the nba finals, andy scholes has this morning s police report and good morning. good morning. case. it s only game three, but the mass they have to win excuse me, they have to win tonight because notes, even me hey, history while struggling, i ve ever come back from an o3 deficit. i the big news given out yesterday is the celtics announced that star center kristaps prison thank suffer what the team calls a rare injury to his left leg. he s not questionable fourth, tonight s game per zinc has said he felt something happened during game too, but he s gonna do every you think he can to play with or without presenting as the celtics or they re treating game three like a must-win despite having a 2-0 lead in the series almost got to play like you now know to, rather than up and that s hard to do but you gotta go into that mind frame that focuses like now, we our plan like that have been down o2 before lost a series won a series. so i know what it takes i gave three tonight 830 eastern brahma dallas, us open. meanwhile, it sees off tomorrow from pinehurst at the big question is, can anyone beat world number one, scottie scheffler. he s won five of his last eight tournaments, including the masters. the worst he s done since since march was tied for eighth at the pga championship and he was arrested before second round of that tournament. those charges were dropped. scheffler knows all eyes are gonna be on 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