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You know how to put out a release. yes. you could say the president is potentially harassing a junior staffer. right. i know that s a big thing to do. yes. it is a possibility. you could have done it. it is. i could have done that with a lot of things. what? well, a lot of the things he would say. when he d go out and do his press conferences about covid and downplaythingthings. i could have left when charlottesville happened. there are so many times i could have done that, and i didn t. i m still grappling with that. i am. you say you hate mark meadows. you wouldn t have gone to him in the case of this press aide or anything else. no. tell us why you hate mark meadows. when he began, i was in quarantine for three weeks with potentially having covid because i had been exposed to bolsonaro s press person at mar-a-lago. he was calling all the time, asking me about my staff. i was explaining to him how ....
Because and i know this sounds silly because i know what his tweets were like. i know a lot of the vitriol for all four years but something seemed heightened. he was heightened. he was so, you know, about this was stolen from us. this was stolen from us. he was so hyperfocused on that. i don t want to say to a crazy level, but i felt like we were getting there. i knew that the big rally was being planned, and i had a bad, bad feeling. it was going to be right outside the white house. look, we had that all the time. black lives matter protesters. i just, in my gut, felt weird. and then when he said, let s head to the capitol. we need to be fighters. these people, like i used to be, are true believers in him and are true loyalists. i believe they take stuff like that very literally. if president trump is saying, you are my people. we re in this together. ....
Got there. he just would have yelled and screamed. i don t know. maybe he would have fired me immediately. i m not sure what he would have done. what was the role of fox news in the white house? that s a great question. that s just where we went to get what we wanted out. you know, i looked forward to going and doing lou dobbs. he d do all the talking about how great everything was, and i would nod and say yes. they, you know, by and large, didn t get tough with us. they just took what we were s saying and disseminated it. i think they re disseminating it to a lot of people who went to the capitol for january 6th. again, i ve had a lot of time too grapple with this, and i feel horribly guilty about my part in it because i was on fox a lot. was it, to you, like state-run tv for donald trump? you know, a bit. i think there are some ....
That she was my friend and, you know, i made the mistake of kind of thinking she would confide in me certain things. but it s very calculated with her. she and her husband are a lot more alike than i think people want to believe. she can be very, very kind, and then she can also be very, very cold. and very stubborn. i think that was the line you drew between her and the president. so stubborn, yes. tell us about election night. she was asleep. it is an interesting scene that you paint in the book. take us through this. sure. she and i had been, that morning, in florida at mar-a-lago because she went to vote. so we had gotten up very, very early and had been working late in the evening. we went to vote. we flew back to the white house where we stayed. it was her house. but i stayed there until the night of the election party. i think what happened is she went upstairs to take a cat nap or something pause she was probably tired. ....
Talk about the abusive nature, while i believe some colleagues are probably saying, yes, this is true, i am only speaking for me here. yes, i have a past that included childhood and afterwards some ab abuse. it took me a really long time to realize it was a culture of abuse in there. you just want to keep donald trump happy. you just don t want him to yell at you. you just you know, you learn you have to give him the answer he wants or he ll just throw you out anyway. so a lot of people would learn to work around that a little bit and say, yes, your poll numbers are huge, sir, but perhaps we just take it down, you know, a notch on this, that, or the other subject. we worked around him. i also don t want to use that as an excuse. i m also a grown woman, and i knew what was happening in there. i turned my head to a lot of things. did you ever tell him no? yes, yes. ....