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Fred hurst specializes in issues with unmarried partners, he's from san francisco and writes books on it. both of these guys think gay marriage is okay. we're not having the debate. it's not like i forgot to book the guy who doesn't like gay marriage. i booked the guys for a specific reason. fred, good to see you after a long time. i want to ask you, fred, what is the difference? for people who have been in these states waiting to get married, what changes for them? >> well, here's what's so interesting, ali, i'm glad you asked the question that way. the legal rights and responsibilities actua...

Significant, fred, with respect to benefits and wills and passing things on after you die. is there something that the piece of paper changes for gay couples or unwed couples? >> here's what i found and what is so interesting. one of the purposes of law is to give people clarity about their lives and as the last speaker just said, the patchwork of marriage equivalence and marriage life and domestic partnership leaves couples and their families and frankly their bankers and the title companies and real estate agents with a great deal of uncertainty of is this couple really married or not. what ...

about $2,000. thelma gutierrez, cnn, los angeles. >> that is digging deeper. it is go time. you'll see in a second that i obviously went shopping in ali's closet. "cnn newsroom" continues right now, with ali velshi. >> tony, if i looked as good as you do, i wouldn't have to go shopping. i'm ali velshi, i'll be with you for the next two hours, today and every weekday. i'll take every important topic that we cover, and i'm going to try to break it down for you. i'll try and give you a level of detail that will help you make important decisions about your voting, your spending, your...