Bashar al assad. he was willing to trade them for the survive of his regime, but nonetheless some of the towns targeted were subjected to a new weapon -- starvation. he has all kinds of weapons at his dispose at. when we look at the calamity, the tragedy of syria, and when we say 1,400 people were killed in the use of chemical weapons, there are more than 150,000 people possibly who have been killed in a different kind of way. >> has he won this war, bashar al assad? >> wolf, i really don't know. i think -- i remember there is a state department had syria expert, frederick huff, and two years ...