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Mr. rudy giuliani on ukraine matters at the express direction of the president of the united states. president trump directed us to, quote, talk with rudy. my recollection is that ambassador sondland stated, quote, dammit, rudy, every time rudsy gets involved he goes and fs everything up. >> what do you think he meant by his characterization of rudy giuliani as a hand grenade? >> the investigations that he was promoting that the story line he was promoting, the narrative he was promoting was going to backfire. i think it has backfired. >> death, taxes, and donald trump's habit of cutting loose...

Fs everything up. >> one of those key figures being discussed, john bolton. and he did -- he has gone public in a way. kind of. he made clear of being back on twitter this week via a twitter post. he claims the white house had kept him off the platform. let's bring in our panel to discuss. joyce vance, former u.s. attorney. natasha, political national security correspondent. andy carny, new york times white house correspondent. and david jolly, former republican congressman from florida. all are msnbc contributors. joyce, we played some of the best hits if you will that happened this past week...

>> mr. giuliani to secretary pompeo, secretary perry, brian mccormick, chief of staff mulvaney, and mr. mulvaney's senior advisor rob blair. everyone was in the loop. >> ambassadors volker and sondland and secretary rick perry also attended the meeting. i attended with dr. hill. we had not completed all the agenda items and we still had time for the meeting and ambassador bolton abruptly ended the meeting. >> you tell eisenberg, ambassador bolton told me, that i am not part of the -- this whatever drug deal that mulvaney and sondland are cooking up. i knew then in the course of that discussion...

Amigos were executing on the ground in ukraine. at one point during a meeg of the inaugural delegation, common wondered allowed why mr. giuliani was so active and immediate with ukraine? my recollection is that ambassador sondland stated, quote, damn it, rooudy, every te rudy gets involves he goes and, quote, fs everything up. >> there's another quote. rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney, not an employee of the government, running this entire operation. >> absolutely. he's doing exactly what donald trump wants him to do. this is that bit of separation from trump directly that puts...

The role that the president's personal attorney rudy giuliani played. here's a sample. >> over the following months, it became apparent that mr. giuliani was having a direct influence on the foreign policy agenda that the three amigos were executing on the ground in ukraine. in fact, at one point in the preliminary meeting of the delegation, some wondered aloud why rudy giuliani was so active with respect to ukraine. my recollection is sondland stated, quote, damn it, rudy. every time he gets involved he goes and fs everything up. and fiona hill began her statement by debunking the conspirac...