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instead is try to appeal futily to the manage wing. and they might try to outright each other. a good strategy for ron desantis but not for nikki haley. that's what i'm watching for tonight. >> i think nikki haley has to show that she can be presidential. i don't know if that's possible, but she has to attempt to show that. i think she's going to try to run against donald trump for that particular sliver of the party, and that's not going make much sense. i think the danger is the person who is actually not on the stage. i think vivek ramaswamy is actually -- don't laugh. >> doesn't this mean we don't have to talk about him? that he's not on the debate stage tonight? >> i hear you. i hear you. but i actually think that the danger for both nikki and ron desantis is slipping to fourth in iowa. then it's game over. then we have cameras in iowa next monday actually covering -- i'm out of the race speech from one of them. they have to finish second and third. they have to finish strong. at the end of the day this is jv. the person who looks like they're going to win is not there. >> right.

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>> reporter: maybe not, but david camm was facing 189 years behind car bars. you're sent to slammer. you're learning to be incarcerated. >> i had to figure out how to survive. i made my mind up early on that's what i was going to do. >> did you get confronted inside the joint, this was a guy who as a former cop, trooper? >> not directly. people would say things. you'd hear people talking so on. >> did you think i'm dumb? >> you know what? i was just bewildered at first, but i didn't know there was still a possibility or some glimmer of hope that there is this thing called an appeal. >> a successful appeal, another trial. most convicts cling futily to that. >> a different strategy was about to take the case to the state court of appeals. >> coming up -- >> he has a foot fetish, and so

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