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Program and we all know a few years later what happened to moammar gadhafi. do you think giuliani was trying to do the same thing? >> in front of an audience in israel and make no sense whatsoever. as soon as i heard his statements, i was reminded of the fact that he really wanted the secretary of state position. after president trump had won the nomination and the election and one has to wonder if he is trying to be in the multiple lanes, the president's attorney and also sort of advisory secretary of state. i'm sure that was a nuisance to mike pompeo, the current secretary of state. and you ...

Involved in the particulars when it comes to the substance of these negotiations. his administrations has for months preparing for the summit behind the scenes. his comments serve as a reminder it's a president that places more value on optics than substance. regardless of what preparations has team has made, if he doesn't believe he's winning, he's prone to quickly reversing course. i also think it reflects his attitude toward international relations in general. you've seen it with the iran nuclear deal. you've seen it with the steel and aluminum tariffs. he likes to project the aura of tough...

Lawyer but the face and i think that's how donald trump likes it. his willingness to go far afield, whether a joke or not, i don't know how well that translates literally or figuratively to kim jong-un in north korea that they were begging on their hands and knees. if it's a strategy cooked up between donald trump and rudy giuliani, not going to rule that out, i don't know how smart a strategy it is, particularly because everything we know about this president as it regards kim jong-un and the summit he wants it to happen. even in the letter where he canceled it, it made clear there's an openi...

He immediately started making changes. so it's been pretty surprising over the last several days leading up to this big trump/kim jong-un summit. to not see john bolton to anywhere, it's been mike pompeo, the secretary of state who's been next to the president, who's been going on the trips and making the statements and john bolton has seemed to be quite silent all of a sudden. now we know from multiple sources that that is because of those comments he made referencing north korea but calling it the libya model and making a comparison there, which we know from other sources, angered the north ...

Talking about the libya model which scared the north koreans because gadhafi ended up dead. you know, one, get one messenger and, two, get a strategy. we've got nine days to go. i still think this summit can yield some positive results so let's keep going. >> david, the president can sound a slightly more cautious tone on the talks. take a listen. >> it will be a beginning. i don't say and i've never said it happens in one meeting. it's a process. we're not going to sign -- we're not going to go in and sign something on june 12. we never were. we're going to start a process, and i said told th...