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Forward and do the hard thing do the dangerous thing. When they put themselves out there and put themselves on the line in order to do what they think must be done, we tend to call that bravery. I dont know exactly what you call it when somebody does the hard thing does the dangerous thing. Because its something that needs to be done. They believe its necessary for the good of the country. I dont know what you call it when a person does that thing, but they do it in secret. Under a cloak of bh somebody does the brave thing but they go out of their way to make sure nobody can find out it was th...

About whether he wanted to go public. another factor was that gary lantrip, the man on the tape, is a long-time friend they've known for decades, which is why they spoke so frankly. >> if there weren't money involved, some guys who knew each other and they were trying to talk each other into playing a specific role around this that took some negotiation, that would itself be an interesting human drama in alabama in the middle of the story. but there's this $10,000, this figure that surfaces in your story. how much were you able to tell about the reality of that offer? was $10,000 secured? was ...

Really there? that would seem to make it a much more serious matter, potentially a criminal matter. >> that's a huge question. i can tell you that eddie sexton in the recent interviews we did with him over the course of many weeks, extensive interview, truly believes that his friend, gary lantrip, was offering and was prepared to give him $10,000. a huge unanswered question, of course, is where would this money have come from? an interesting fact here is that gary lantrip and bert davey, have never donated as far as we can tell to any election in alabama or federally. so these are two men who ...

Time with steve bannon. actually with the implication that maybe even some work, some paid work might derive from a contact with steve bannon. is there any reason to believe these guys actually knew steve bannon or had contact with him? >> well, when you listen to this tape, you could easily dismiss this as a guy who is just puffering, a guy who is boasting but doesn't really have these connections. one of the things that we were surprised to find after we listened to the tape and brought the, you know, a reasonable amount of skepticism to it was that these videos surfaced where both gary lant...