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Diplomas who have very low participation rates in the labor force, and then youre bringing in workers to compete directly against the workers who are either losing their jobs to automation or who cant find work because theres not enough jobs for workers in our own country without education. And so particularly, i mean, go to an American City that has labor force problems. Wherever that may be. Say detroit. How is it fair or right or proper that if, say, you open up a new business in detroit that the unemployed workers of detroit are going to have to compete against an endless flow of unskilled...

George borhas an economist looked at the impact on wages when you have illegal wab labor influx of labor coming into a market. think of"mq packing. over the short term wages will drop 8% and over the long term they'll drop 3%. we're talking, look at the wages at meat packing a very common industry in the midwest here. 30 years ago you walked into a meat packing facility and see lots of u.s. citizens working in those jobs and it was paying really well. in fact, it was paying better than it is today, in some cases. and, by the way, some are still uniized today and some aren't. here i am perfect...

Working in a plant like that. illegal labor has depressed the wages. i don't think anyone will seriously dispute that. >> who is paying those wages and who is making the decisions to lower those wages. not those workers. >> an economist out of harvard university and has written a lot on wage effects on this. the actual literature of illegal immigration is incredibly contested and not necessarily matched by other people but i think it's interesting to say, you read that story the 3% prediction over the duration, over the long term. a drop in the beginning and 3% cut over time. when you think to...

Card in this country, the more momentum there's going to be. the more support there's going to be, and our message to folks in congress is, if you are serious about immigration reform, then ask yourselves, what's in the best interest of americans and american workers and ultimately this has to be a part of that. let's go to glen. >> two quick questions. first of all, let's have some statistics. there have been a lot of studies out there that don't show a correlation between low skilled immigration and the loss of jobs for native workers. cite for me, if you could, one or two studies with speci...