Versus the benefit that saying we got something done, health care passed? >> they think the benefit that getting something passed is better than not doing anything. because they think it would be hard to go in november and say we couldn't pass health care reform. they truly believe that once this thing is passed, if they go out and sale what they think is the big thing americans will like, and that is insurance industry reforms, that the polls showing that people want reform, but not this specific reform will turn around and begin to favor this particular package. >> what else, dare i ask, bey...