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Can then rebuild the state's economic picture to the tune of 250,000 jobs. how do you create jobs by breaking the union? >> well, we're going to find out more in his state of the state message which will be next tuesday. what he is alluding to. i have talked with some of the folks there in madison, wisconsin. what he is alluding to is stripping away collective bargaining powers that constrain the ability of government to reduce the size of payrolls and, indeed, reduce wages. he is going to be saving the citizens of -- so he says. >> bill: about $3 billion over three or four years. how does tha...

Need to eliminate collective bargain wag driven by the fiscal condition of the state? now they said it's not a fiscal issue otherwise they couldn't pass it. does it put a lie to their entire argument. >> you saw them finally giving up and throwing their cards on the table. we got a peek at them at first when walker said -- when he had his billion dollar phone call where he said this was going to be the first domino and he was going to drop a bombshell then we got a piece today when senator fitzgerald talked to fox news and said, we do this, we crush obama's chances because unions can't do anyt...

Your holdout has been and the reason you went to illinois is over the collective bargaining portion of the bill. now that that is behind us, you say you're on your way back to madison. will you convene for a quorum and vote for those give-backs on the pension and health plan? >> these were things in the bill that just passed. they attacked on collective bargaining. we have to see, obviously republicans have proved themselves untrustworthy with this tactic so we have to decide if this is something -- how we're going to go back. >> it's possible you guys won't support that proposition now? >> we...

About how much healthcare costs they pay for. everything republicans wanted in terms of fiscal concessions from people that work for the state, they got them. public employees conceded. they gave republicans everything they asked for in terms of paid give backs, pension, healthcare, everything with budget impact, the public employees gave up right away, right at the outset. if it was really about the budget, then those concessions would have sort of solved the problem. would have been enough. but it is not about the budget. and so instead we have had 22 days of protests over what? over the stu...

Paid, not about what they contribute to pensions, not about how much healthcare costs they pay for. everything republicans wanted in terms of fiscal concessions from people that work for the state, they got them. public employees conceded. they gave republicans everything they asked for in terms of paid give backs, pension, healthcare, everything with budget impact, the public employees gave up right away, right at the outset. if it was really about the budget, then those concessions would have sort of solved the problem. would have been enough. but it is not about the budget. and so instead w...