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A lot of people from this industry go into top government jobs. so we just have to be a little bit careful about saying just because you vote for politicians, which all of us do, doesn't mean that you can't get an economic benefit from them. >> that's a feature. american society will go through a great shakedown and there will be squeezes on concentrated interests. in the health care sector. >> what about the guys who are responsible for the financial crisis. >> america spend more in gdp in the health care sector. >> teachers are the heart of darkness. >> i agree with you. the give backs are n...

Financial services. these are huge contributors to political campaigns. a lot of people from this industry go into top government jobs. so we just have to be a little bit careful about saying just because you vote for politicians, which all of us do, doesn't mean that you can't get an economic benefit from them. >> that's a feature. american society will go through a great shakedown and there will be squeezes on concentrated interests. in the health care sector. >> i don't see a lot of squeezes on wall street yet. that's not the place to squeeze? aren't they responsible for the financial crisi...

Disagrees because he did it. that is right. there is certainly a question that, you know, it is one thing to talk about the give-backs on the money issues and another to say whether or not unions should have collective bargaining rights or not. and the argument, last week of course we had scott walker on, the argument is you cannot have a fair fight when the public service unions sit down with local governments, they say, cut our programs if you want. or, lay off teachers, but you will not cut our benefits. and it is, after all, dealing with a monopoly. so, there is not a lot of normal collect...

You can argue that is not fiscal. you can argue therefore you can introduce a bill to cancel the collective bargaining powers. that the unions in wisconsin have today. argue it's not a fiscal issue. is there a parliamentarian in the senate to make a ruling on this? say it's illegitimate? i'm not sure they had parliamentary issue in 50 years. obscure issue. quorum of 20 is obscure in itself, not sure it's ever been invokeed. why not split off issue of the bargaining rights and leave in place, untouch issue of give-backs, because the unions concedeed on the give-backs. once you pass the other st...

Because the local units of government have got just as serious a financial problem as the state government. and the only way for the localnds of government, the city, the county, the school districts will be able to perform is to have these give backs and be able to ask the unions he local level to give back, as well. and without this bill, the governor does not believe intha be able to get the kind of concessions that the local units will need in order to support their ongoing governing proposals. >> governor thompson, the democrats are characterizing this as an anti-union movement. this is a...