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trump last biden's case. the new york times reporting a new findings by prosecutors seeking a protective order for evidence. handset ongoing investigations and other cases could potentially emerge. and the wall street journal today reporting while the mar-a-lago cases in the spotlight, jack smith is pushing ahead of the investigation into trump's effort to reverse the 2020 election results. joining me now, wall street journal reporter, she was inside the courtroom for trump's arraignment last tuesday. and paul butler is back with me. so, welcome to you both again. do you, paul we'll start with you, get to the rain in just a second. i do want to ask you about this new report from your colleague saying, hours before trump appeared at the miami courthouse and pleaded not guilty, the chairman of that is republican -- he walked in the federal trial in washington, what was that about? >> thank you so much, my
reelection again with a rally in philadelphia with union members. the president is seeing endorsements from some of the country's largest unions, a preview in just moments. also new today, more details on trump's indictment. the justice department filing for a protective order which if granted would prevent trump from sharing any classified material for people not involved in the case. new york times says that order says ongoing investigations could identify uncharged individuals. i'll be discussing the latest on the diamond later this hour with jasmine crockett. secretary of state anthony blinken traveled to china today on a high stakes mission to ease rising tensions. blinken is the highest level american official to visit beijing since president biden took office. earlier today, president discussing china, despite balloon incident that delayed blinken's initial trip scheduled in february. i think one of the things about
>> such a great question,, alex the judge ordered trump's defense attorneys to obtain these expedited security clearances. [inaudible] good news for jack, smith it's bad news for prosecutors, judge cannon, apparently she is hanging on to this case, ignoring all the calls to recuse yourself because of her favoritism towards donald trump. it got reversed by the court of the peels. the good, news as you suggest, judge cannon ordered an expedited process for the security clearances, meaning that at least, at this point, she is slow walking the case as what donald trump would love her to do. >> here's something interesting, the times is also reporting that judge bruce-y reinhart has been assigned to help judge cannon with the. casey of course issued the search warrant executed at mar-a-lago. what kind of role would he play? >> well, i usually think --
and then he just kind of walked out, blank, flanked by secret service. i had a chance to speak with a former assistant u.s. attorney right before going into the courtroom about how this measure isn't -- he happened to have been at the very first senate hearing and he said that was a garden compared to this. this was much more serious because it deals with issues of national security. >> maybe that was not lost on donald trump given the expressions that you are describing. it would seem like a normal interpretation of that. let me bring paul into this conversation though. this is absolutely fascinating what you're telling me. so the times today, paul, says the evidence prosecutors are poised to give the defense is part of the discovery process, they contain information about ongoing investigations that could quote, identify uncharged individuals. what evidence do you expect prosecutors to share and can you tell from the indictment
necessarily defeating you. i do you think there is a pretty big risk that donald trump can message to the point of making this, conflating this with all of the other previous classified documents that really pale in magnitude toward donald trump. >> another way to look at this, robert. there is a senate democratic aide telling nbc news that democrats are committing a grievous political error, allowing trump to frame the indictment on his terms. do you agree with that, i guess the bigger question is, how would trump be reigned in any way? >> look, barring a judges order, don trump is going to say whatever donald trump wants to say. i think we have a six years of evidence that just because don trump says it, doesn't mean that the majority of the american people believe it. in reality, probably quite the opposite. i think this white house has to be enormously careful as they
future. >> good point, these come early, someone like a kennedy or a williamson, they cannot get those kinds of endorsements. they've already been placed. the president told white house aides and his reelection team, they should say zip about trump's legal troubles. but nbc news reports that some biden allies, they're getting kind of frustrated because they're saying that they think that approach is unsustainable. ed because so how do you see it? is it rising above or is it missed opportunity? >> i think there is a danger in letting donald trump defined the issue rather than joe biden having giving the message that this actually was a big deal, these were a lot of classified documents. i clarify the rules and i accidentally took documents, i sent them right back when i was told to. there is, i agree with those critics of the strategy, you don't use your pit to talk about something that is
who the uncharged individuals might be, will kind of rolled in my play? >> i wish i could, alex but this reference to ongoing investigations and additional defendants is extremely suggestive. it is a cliché to say the jack smith speaks through his court filing, but he certainly chooses every word in those violent -- so this could be another espionage act case based on trump's dissemination of documents in new jersey. it could refer to january six, we don't know. but i suspect that we will find out soon. >> paul, trump's lawyers yesterday, as you, know they filed notice -- alien candidates too -- obtain security clearances. does this indicate, judge cannon is inclined to set an early trial date, with that necessarily mean a speedy trial?
colleague reported that they were seeing at the washington court house and it is unclear if that particular federal probe is going to lead to an indictment. just hours before this was going on in washington d.c. and then here we are in this incredible historic moment in miami. donald trump pleading not guilty to these incredible charges. let me tell you a little bit about what it was like in that courtroom because -- >> let me just establish this. you are sitting directly behind secret service, right? jack smith was there, you had i understand a really good view of donald trump. so, talk about his demeanor. >> do you see that hazy feminine blog in the background, that is actually me. i don't know how i got lucky enough to sit right there but it was incredible because right when i walked in.
unusually large one. among judge karen's many thoughts she is extremely inexperienced with trials. she's only had four criminal trials in her whole career as a judge. i've actually worked with reinhart, we were in the justice department public corruption section at the same time. he is a very experienced criminal prosecutor. now, he's a federal court officer. i think he will try to out-judge her. >> hey, deborah, before i let you guys go, i just want to ask, you mentioned the secret service being struck or having a certain demeanor and they looked at all the journalists in the room. how did you interpret that? >> you, know it is hard to interpret what their facial expressions, or donald trump's facial expressions are. but i can say that i've been a journalist for 13, years i was there that morning that they raided mar-a-lago. i was there when the balloons came down at the gop convention
necessarily our a.g., not necessarily the special prosecutor, but from citizens who sat down and reviewed not one document, but documents. mounds of documents, and determined that there was enough to continue to go forward and decide whether or not trump can violate law. there is nothing to see, here they. say but for some reason. this one document, this one document where the very first page said do not disclose what is in this document. and so we know, number, one republicans are not good at keeping secrets. clearly. we see what happened with the former president. number two, maybe they didn't necessarily violate. it because i had an opportunity to read this document and i don't know what they read, but that was not what i got out of it. i don't want to say what i did get out of, it but i also want to point out that it was trump's doj that receive this information. it was trump's doj that followed up and determined that