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That marries together a broader vision with some practicality but not what to do but how to get it done and if he does those three things he'll be if good shape and because everybody is coming after him and how he responds will tell people are about whether or not he has the strength and the capacity and the endurance to be a president. >> what do you want to hear roj rojas? >> think joe biden is defending the corporate centrist frame and you won't see bernie sanders and elizabeth warren on stage so i think biden is going to have to make the case as to why he actually has a governing vision. w...

Are being viewed more in the middle, that they get through? >> well, it's possible. some of those candidates are going to dry up quickly. their money's going to dry up. they'll be out. we've seen this movie before. >> right. >> and pretty quickly, you'll be down to three or four candidates at most, at least serious candidates. >> last word, pat. >> yeah, i think the real question is -- and bush has not been running in these polls very well, even in florida, against hillary. but i think the real problem that he has, you just put your finger on, somebody's going to run against the establishment....

Finger on, somebody's going to run against the establishment. he is the establishment. that's where the money is. yes, he'll get a billion dollars. but i'm telling you the messaging of what larry just said, when i've been saying, the populism in this country, which is really across the board and in the republican party and the alienation against the political class in washington makes him a very dubious candidate. this is the most open nomination since 1940. >> if they don't have a governing vision, they might have gotten away with it in this election, but there's an expectation that they're g...

We begin with aneddiitorial headline in the "new york times." a new gop excuse for doing nothing. with unrestrained glee republicans are using the calamitous debut of the affordable care act as their latest justification for undermining all of the health care reform. but they are not stopping there. the obama administration's fumbling is patiently good. party members want to repeal the health law and let insurers go back to cancelling policies at the first sign of a shadow on an x-ray. they have no immigration policy of their own. they have no plan that will stimulate job growth. they are in f...

Other -- is he supposed to be on the front line for foreign policy? this was supposed to be his game. why is that the wrong argument? >> i didn't say it was the wrong issue. i said the wrong argument. those are two different things. >> okay. >> to me he's accepting the premise of the questions that taxing and spending and how big the government is and the role of the individual to the government is nothing other than a mathematical equation as opposed to what the scheme of the u.s. constitution is, which is limiting the jurisdiction of the government to maximize the freedom of the individual. ...