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The national debt has ballooned from $14 trillion to $32 trillion in a little over a decade.

A top GOP debt ceiling negotiator kept the possibility of a government shutdown fight on the table.

We're still on the air. he was raising questions as to whether or not it's a big deal. it is a big deal if we default for the first time ever in this country's history. and what would that look like? >> absolutely, absolutely. i think there's a lot of confusion about this particular point. people get confused about the difference about a debt default and government shutdown and all sorts of versions of government dysfunction we have experienced. we have not experienced a debt default along the lines of what we're talking about here. what happens if we default on our debt? first of all, some pa...

Critical coming days. >> you have eyes on the ground in a part of the world most of us can't see anymore because of the dysfunction the war, the violence, government dysfunction in syria on that side of this. is there hospital, medical, food and supply infrastructure in place, or is that years of dysfunction and devastation and tragedy going to make this even worse? >> well, we know that these kind of crises within crises are affecting people and ordinary people who are doing everything they can to survive, and so having this earthquake come on top of the years of conflict and all of the econo...

Sit down and realize we're going to have to govern and figure out a way to make this work. how you define making this work i think is a pretty open question right now because i think just tell you that nobody -- i don't want to speak to people at the stable, but literally nobody thinks this is going to go well based on what we've seen. and so i just think there's a lot of questions that come out of it. >> i think that's why we can break down all the intricacies of the procedural things that happen, but at the bottom line people have been watching from home all week, and to them it looks like c...