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Administration strategy to fight isis. senator graham, what have you seen on the ground in your past few days and what are you specifically calling for now? >> okay. some progress i think ramadi, which is in anbar province can be taken back from isil. otherwise, mosul, which is a very large city in iraq is still in isil hands. there's no strategy regarding syria. we had a major industry in libya, a city in libya, the home of khadafy fall into isis hands. there no ground component to destroy isil in syria. if you don't destroy them in syria where the caliphate is headquarter headquartered you d...

Yesterday. former cia director saying we need more. >> i agree with the tone. you agree that the tone is bad. the push back is we're doing nothing. that's not bad either. joining us now is former democratic congressman harold ford jr. more intense attacks from the air against islamic military state assets, oil, gas facilities and leader is critical. no amount of air power on its own will get the job done. a substantial ground component is needed.

Chl. i could enkour tranlg president really to rally the world. their armies in a smart way, integrate our forces within a regional army. come up with a ground component to supplement the air campaign going on the ground and destroy the caliphate at its headquarters in raqqah. >> the art of political campaigning is to of course make what you want to do sound easy. sound like the obvious thing you want to do. >> will you at least be willing to send 10,000 u.s. troops over there? >> yes, i would. but, joe, i would engage other countries. i would tell other countries it's time for you to get ou...

Now and i don't think the french will have any butter luck than we've had. >> and yet, obviously, colonel franco francona, the concern about large forces or increase of u.s. forces on the ground which is to president obama's point that it makes the u.s. more the focus of isis attacks and perhaps alienates more people on the ground. >> well, that said and i'll go along with who bob said. these attacks have not established the goal. the air campaign is anemic at best because we haven't been able to strike the targets we need to hit. there is a variety of reasons for that. part is it's cumbersome...

Terrorists in paris are dead and a manhunt is under way for the eighth. how do you fight those who are so willing to die? that's a good question. how does the fight against isis -- well, the question is, rick francona, how do you fight a war against someone who is so willing to die? unfortunately, since they're willing to die, you have to allow them to do that. you conduct the war as you would any other war, knowing full well that your fighting enemy is committed. and you have to change your tactics a little bit to take that into consideration. but right now, just bombing them from the air doe...