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Preparing for russian missiles and bombs. that's something we have been hearing about for several weeks now as the possible way sort of an opening salvo of the military might into ukraine if this does happen, some sort of an invasion, is that it would most like i start from the air. there's a lot of emphasis on russian military, mechanized units, ground units, tanks, that are surrounding the border right now. but what we've been hearing is addition to the potential false flags, cyber operations, electronic warfare or jamming, the opening salvo would most likely be from the air. >> richard enge...

The lay of the land there? i think in recent days, for example, have some of the ground units that were in larger assembly areas moved in or out closer to the border in what might be attack positions, other movements in the last 24 hours or so? >> what i would say, bob, even in the last 24 to 48, over the course of the weekend putin has added military capability along the border of belarus, and he has naval units in the black sea. he continues to add to his readiness and give himself more options should he pursue a military path here. i would like to refrain from getting into specific movement...

There isn't an international treaty against cluster bombs, which the u.s. is not a party to. but basically, the russians now are using -- they're doctrine is mass artillery. by the way, i don't think it's really started yet, katy. if they're going to fight in kyiv, which looks probable, the russian artillery units will be firing thousands of rounds a day. thanks will use main tank guns fighting down the street. and it will be a tough war for the russians. they're going to lose a lot of soldiers. so painful period of time. air cap over ukraine's not going to happen. it's militarily viable. the ...

Artillery and then the introduction. we know they have them with them and some inintroduction of bombs which are bombs that have fuel in them and they create just bastions of fire as a result of it. they are quite devastating. they have used them on the ukraine military back in 2014 and would take down entire battalion assembly area in a matter of minutes. that's what could be the foretell of things to come if the operational ground units are not able to make progress, then they will begin the systematic rubling of the city, which is a decision they have been trying to avoid for all the obviou...

Just shoot down russian planes, we have to attack the s 400 anti aircraft missiles, just across inside russia. we'd have to engage russian ground units who then fired on our core our aircraft. it would clearly lead to direct war with russia. >> and tom, that's the part that no one who's advocating the so-called no-fly zone ever addresses. >> yeah, there is more to a no-fly zone and simply shooting down bad guys who might be bothering could geiss. you don't put your pilots in the air and just loiter around and hope for the best. you're going to have to suppress army air defenses, you're going t...