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Floor, management and the mending process and the conference committees, those people i mean why would you do that? it's like selling your soul. grover i said would be irrelevant in two years, and i say that, got about another year and a half to go. he will be irrelevant. this guy is a zell lot, zelllot who is one having forgotten his purpose redoubles his efforts and he sees the crumbling of the great house of cards. it's like jarvis out in california back in the late '70s. he's left schools destitute, left institutions destitute. you can't come in and play this kind of a game when everything...

0 senator alan simpson, withers skin bowles and be on the group with a group of bipartisan business leaders and deficit hawks getting something done, meeting with republicans and democrats. do you have any more optimism let me point out you and your pal erskine bowles, he was quoted as saying he's more pessimistic something will be accomplished. >> my poor dear partner, bloodied but unvowed, six months ago erskine was saying i think we can get there. now, he's pessimistic. would be a word. we were just with a group go big or go home, democrats and republicans alike, they've got signatures of o...