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Who last month pulled out more than 100 celebrities who are pushing clinton further left. she's come out against keystone, pushed further left than sanders on guns and this week she flipped on the trans pacific partnership, the tpp. biden thought he could make a play to clinton's left as if the current front-runner has infectively boxed him out. before he's even had a chance to step on the court. i mean katy perry and john lewis? is she now unbeetable? >> that's a lovely combination. it's a 1-2 punch. the interesting thing with biden is that he's incredibly likeable. people feel this fondness ...

On to is the fact that there has been dramatic shift in number of shootings we've had in this country, mass shootings since 2008. gun issues will be hot topic in the debate. putting it so, negotiation is also a big theme. which candidate can actually make the other side of the aisle negotiate. positioning nra as non-negotiating black and white. interesting strategy. martha: let's listen to another sound bite from this event. let's play that. >> nra tries to keep gun owners, the ones who are members really upset all the time so they can keep collecting their money because they tell them they ar...

Party. and we'll see if he can sort of get through this fire that you have to walk through if you are actually going to carry that mantle for the party. >> if you take away the over the top rhetoric and look at the reaction politically to what happened in oregon you find candidates on the democratic side coming down on the side of some kind of legislation to address gun issues. nobody on the republican side saying that. how do you think that plays out? >> i think the democrats have the edge. ben carson used to support the assault weapons ban and now he has changed his mind because of tyranny. ...

Worry about anymore. also, what hillary clinton has just done -- this is fascinating -- she has just specifically put the obama white house in a really interesting position. because, yes, martin o'malley put forward specific policies he wants. that's interesting. bernie sanders has this record he comes from the left. not particularly on gun issues. so he has stuff to answer. what hillary clinton has done, it's fascinating because how it sets her up vis-a-vis the president. with these new policy proposals hillary clinton has come out with. if she is right that these are all things that can be d...

Against bernie sanders. >> who historically has had some issues because he represents rural vermont. >> exactly. but what she doesn't want to do, at least looking back on history, her husband has blamed gun issues for costing al gore the 2000 election. and i think she doesn't want to get so far into, you know, the other side of the territory -- pro gun control that, a, it would cause her problems in the general election, but two, that it would be something that is just completely unrealistic for a president to get through, even if he or she has a democratic congress. >> in addition, obviously,...