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Dolley madison who presided other the first inaugural ball in 1809. What did we think about Dolley Madison and the impact she had . Its taking us back. Way back. Way back. Dolley madison was criticized. People criticized here, didnt they, and thought she was too fancy and too much into fashion and too aristocratic, not democratic enough. Not democratic enough, but you could come to Dolley Madisons parties as long as you were appropriately dressed, so for their time very democratic. They did that in versailles as long as you were properly dressed. When you think Dolley Madison grew up as a quak...

Second. All in favor . Public comment in ray hartz that i would like to say that in the five years coming to the hearing this is the only time that i have ever heard anybody come back and vote to disclose anything, from closed session. And now, i find that really, really, and i find that really misty fying. Opposed . It passes 50. And on the agenda, the discussion of the minutes, of the last meeting. Any comments from the commissioners . Public comment . Commissioners ray hartz, director of San Francisco, open government, and i wholeheartedly support the approval of these minutes and it docume...

Force that they cant name mr. Ginsburg, are you . I dont, i mean, the. And as i understand it. The problem that you are having with their naming mr. Ginsburg is that he was not initially named when this alleged violation arose. And that after, second hearing, they suddenly came out, and named him and so the whole question comes did mr. Ginsburg get a proper notification, so that he could go to the task force and say, hey, you should not name me and here is why you should not name me . Is that . No, i think that the question, and i mean, the staff raised the question before that it would be a v...

Violation the Commission Shall publicly announce this back and announce and may not include the findings of fact and law and fact, and therefore, the commission will take no further action on the matter. But i dont think that there is anything that preincluding the commission from referring this back to the task force, to name who, and on name a respondent, and who they believe properly should be named for this, for the decision to not to disclose this information. And you are telling the task force that they cant name mr. Ginsburg, are you . I dont, i mean, the. And as i understand it. The pr...

Motion. And to give, more clear guidance, that in regard to this particular information, it should be disclosed. Is there a second to that motion . Okay, so there is no second. I will second the motion. You will second the motion . Yes. All in favor . Aye. Aye. Opposed . No. No. So, the motion to find a nonwillful violation of mr. Ginsburg was not passed. So it was defeated. The vote was 32, was sorry, the vote was 23, and there was no finding of a nonwillful violation. And i mean, that i do think that we need a motion as to whether there is a willful violation, since that was. Dont we since t...