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attempts to pressure him and he could be a key witness trump and his team could still appeal the ruling. but they have lost similar previous cases a date for pence's testimony is not settled, though it is likely to be later this month according to an adviser. now the ruling by judge james boseberg ordering pence to testify said that while pence was excused from providing details regarding hisrole as president of the senate on january 6, 2021, he's not excused from testifying about conversations related to alleged illegality on donald trump's part that means that special counsel jack ...

But it is the case that it has never happened before. to your point about this now being boring, i think this goe to something you are saying. it's sort of the flip side tha we shouldn't be thinking of former president differently and because of that, the borin aspect that is about to happen which is this enormous tim delay between an indictment an a trial, is actually part of the rule of law. so for all of those people who have been waiting anxiously to see the former president hel to account, criminally, for hi conduct, part of that mean that you have to be patien because the rule of law tha...

He committed very serious crimes. the only crime he ended up having to plead guilty to was lying to the fbi. >> right, the one count. >> exactly right. >> reporter: and the judge at one point asked did he commit treason, you alluded to that earlier, brooke. treason is defined very narrowly under the constitution. but he certainly engaged in conduct that was very egregious and did him no favors by trying to minimize his conduct. we've seen disinformation campaigns in recent days trying to glorify flynn and suggesting he's duped. he was not mistreated in any way. the judge knew that, everyone in...

Selling his own popularity among women, too? >> i love you, too. who said that? i finally heard it from a woman. thank you. thank you. look at all the women for trump. here we go, it's the same thing. everyone says, but will he get the women? >> joining me now, michael avenatti, attorney for stormy daniels, who may have another moniker one of these days, will women support him? >> i don't think they'll support him in the same degree they did last time, alex. i think his misogyny is watering thing, but ultimately i don't think he's going to change hi conduct. he's been demeaning women for the b...