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We all make them. i don't know if there's a conspiratoral piece. i don't know what the motivation is. i do know that dr. fauci's credibility is two times that of president trump's according to polling and i know his approval rating heisser than goa -- higher than joe biden. howie: president trump may have been more accurate than dr. fauci. all i'm pushing back on, and bringing up what hiv development in the 1980s. dr. fauci has been mythologized. like on the cover of in-style magazine, maybe we need to stop calling him an 80-year-old physician. maybe he is somebody we can't keep acting likes h...

Against, essentially, every formal of influenza. i don't think we'll get a perfect universal flu vaccine, but you can start off getting to the ultimate goal, so that you can maybe get a vaccination every five to ten years that would give you enough background protection that even when you encounter a brand new pandemic virus, there would be enough of the cross reactivity with that particular vaccine that you'd be able to protect people. that's the ult mall goal. >> it is extraordinary, when you look, you know, for hopeful things, when you look at hiv and how, for many people, it at least in th...

>> well, the hiv development of drugs and treatment is an extraordinary success story of the relationship between fundamental research developing an intervention that's highly effective. i have been taking care of hiv infected individuals for the last 35 years. the first several years virtually all of my patients died. they would come in and we didn't know what the virus was and we didn't have therapy. now we have therapy. if you put them on a combination of three drugs you can look that person in the eye and say if they take their medications regularly they could live an additional 50 years. ...