we all make them. i don't know if there's a conspiratoral piece. i don't know what the motivation is. i do know that dr. fauci's credibility is two times that of president trump's according to polling and i know his approval rating heisser than goa -- higher than joe biden. howie: president trump may have been more accurate than dr. fauci. all i'm pushing back on, and bringing up what hiv development in the 1980s. dr. fauci has been mythologized. like on the cover of in-style magazine, maybe we need to stop calling him an 80-year-old physician. maybe he is somebody we can't keep acting likes he's our neighborhood friendly guy who is looking out for us. maybe he's the most powerful man in the world that needs serious questions asked right now. howie: it was president biden's