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A trump employee changed his story in the mar-a-lago classified documents case. according to a new filing from federal prosecutors tonight, an i. t. worker, whose attorney was paid for by trump's political action committee, initially told prosecutors that he didn't remember any conversations about security footage at mar-a-lago. but now, that employ appears to be cooperating with the special counsel's case. let's discuss this with senior justice correspondent evan perez, and former nixon white house counsel and cnn contributor john dean. so evan, i want to start with you, what are we learning ...

Happened was when he was being represented by a lawyer who was being paid by the trump organization, he lied to the grand jury. that's what they're alleging. but then when he got a federal public defender he changed his story and confirmed that mr. trump was discussing with his employees destroying surveillance footage that was under a grand jury subpoena, which the special counsel says was obstruction of justice. what's so significant about this is that the co-defendants in this case, walt nauta and carlos de oliveira are in the same situation. they allegedly lie, but they are being represent...

Men were smiling, neither of them are smiling. some people pose well for their mugshots, others not so well. >> that's certainly -- no laughing matter -- >> trump says he wants to fund-raise off of this. >> yeah, and i think some of the reporting earlier in the new york case was that he considered even creating merchandise. >> i think they did yeah, briefly they created a fake one, they did. and they were trying to fund-raise off of it. so that is possibly what we might see. >> but look, this is very serious. i mean, we are talking about jail time here, potentially, for these individuals. the ...

Roger ailes calls the orchestra pit moment. how important is getting a viral moment? >> well, look, i will tell you why the viral moment is really important, particularly given that, let's be honest, given that donald trump is turning himself in tomorrow, there's a very short time span in which this is actually going to have any kind of impact, even shorter than normal in a regular news cycle. those viral moments are important not just because they get paid over and over but for fundraising. that's the second big thing in these debates, if you can have a viral moment, your campaign is usually ...

Donald trump may have tried to unleashed an angry mob to beat capitol hill cops and may have stolen nuclear secrets, but look at joe biden, he's so old because he bowed his head. you know, we have all been to ceremonies where we are moved. i would guess a guy who has actually lost three family members, close family members, you know, we have seen him get emotional before. my god, again, the fact that this is not about that, this is about the reaction where, like you said, mika, it's this what about-ism, and it's hunter biden's laptop, it's hunter biden, and it's joe biden falls asleep, and joe...