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He is quite active in terms of trying to make end roads. and so i hear what you're saying, this is not like, okay, well case closed. but as we often know it's the cover-up and not the crime and you still do time. >> you know, you're right, alisyn. and i think that there's a tendency on all of our part to want the final chapter. this is not the final chapter. this raises as many questions as it answers. >> i also say, michael, you said something interesting. all we want to know is if a law was broken here. but i'm not sure that that's the limit, right? when mike pompeo, the secretary of state i...

We are expecting him to be here in washington, d.c. on tuesday for his arrangement. >> stand by. i want to bring in shimon and jeffrey toobin, who is with us as well. stone is the sixth trump associate to be charged in mueller's probe. is this the clearest link yet between the trump campaign and wikileaks, the efforts to use e-mails obtained by the russians, given to wikileaks, according to u.s. officials to hurt the clinton campaign? >> yeah. according to this indictment, he is the guy that was the intermediary between the campaign and wikileaks, roger stone they say was using intermediaries ...

Rorth stone. roger stone. we had the campaign manager tell us it drove him crazy. is he the person that directed that contact? is the by whom the president? we don't know. jeffrey toobin, we were all present dollars these 24 pages a few minutes ago and we've been looking through. i want to know from you, you're a senior legal analyst here. big picture, what is new from this? what do you see this jumps out to you? how does this change the story? >> it's -- it's two things. one is the sheer number of people he was in touch with about -- about wikileaks. among the people who had been known to be ...

Charged with conspiracy, the indictment makes it clear he reached out time and time again, or campaign officials reached out to him. it shows a pattern of just how eager the trump campaign was to get their hands on the information that was coming from wikileaks. roger stone reveling in the post arrest limelight, after his initial appearance before a judge in florida. >> as i have always said, the only thing worse than being talked about is not being talked about. >> reporter: only after the pre-dawn raid stone hoped to avoid. >> fbi. open the door. >> reporter: agents swarmed stone's home, arr...

States of america that the president's allies have, shall we say, been charged with interfering with the election and all the other counts. >> well, he isn't being charged with that, which is interesting. he's being charged with obstruction of justice, with obstructing the investigation, lying with the investigators in the senate about this, and he's been charged with witness tampering. but there are no charges here accusing him of colluding with the russians. there's no accusation of breaking a law by contacting wikileaks. is that significant? >> i certainly think it is. however, the investig...