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Any of the people knew that this information was stolen. they didn't know it came from russia. or maybe they couldn't prove that roger stone actually got any of this information early or ever actually passed anything on to the trump campaign. the flip side is maybe they know all of this and we don't have the information yet. >> is that a good defense for roger stone? i knew it was coming from wikileaks. i didn't know they were getting it from a hostile foreign government? >> it could be. you have to knowingly commit a crime, especially for something of that severity. the point i think that jef...

Completely refusing to answer this fundamental question. she could not say yes or no that the president was somebody being referenced in the documents who directed a campaign staffer to go and get more information from roger stone about wikileaks. she would not rule him out in her answers today. >> a lot of suspicion it was the president. a senior trump campaign official was directed to contact stone. a senior official has to be directed by someone who is more senior. that raises the question -- >> we are running out of people. >> reading roger stone and thinking about michael cohen's guilty p...

Campaign will die, this is the kind of person who the president, the candidate at the time, had close. >> i can just say in terms of filling in the timeline here, everyone knew that the russians had hacked the dnc by that point, at least they've been told by the dnc that that was the case. >> right. >> it was june 14th, 2016, that the dnc publicly announced it had been hacked by what they believed to be russian government actors. so a full month before, you know, the trump campaign is directing contact with wikileaks on this, theoretically they knew. >> john avlon, you've been pouring through ...

Establish that these hacks were conducted by the russians. and that wikileaks was passing them off. so they are the link to the trump campaign. if we pull back even farther, we understand something that we've understood for months, which is the trump campaign was open for business for any oppo research, whether it was from the russianors anybody elsrussians else. that's a key piece and that's consistent. there will be a question as to whether or not anyone knew that the russians were responsible for these hacks at this particular time. but this becomes a key point in trying to understand what ...

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