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Wikileaks, if not with wikileaks itself in the period leading up to the 2016 election. he didn't think he was going to get indicted, but he knew it was a possibility. and here we are. >> you know, there's someone else who knew that what roger stone was doing at the time for the campaign was wrong, according to this, and that was roger stone. here is page nine, letter d. later on that day on or about october 4th, 2016, the supporter involved with the trump campaign asked stone via text message if he'd heard anymore from london. stone replied, yes, want to talk on a secure line? got whatsapp? st...

A lot and said oh, wikileaks is great, what they're doing is photographic. we've also seen him distance himself from some of the folks that are in mueller's sites. it will be interesting to see if he's able to do that. he probably will try to do that with roger stone. but this indictment certainly suggests that even after roger stone officially left the campaign he was certainly still in touch with folks in that campaign in very major ways around wikileaks, at least this is what this indictment says. >> and john and alisyn, as we look at these photos, nothing concentrates the mind like this ki...

Going on. he reported those efforts back to the trump campaign, tried to find out even more of what they were doing. the actual hacking, the actual removal of the documents or finding of the e-mails that went to wikileaks and then were distributed, he is not accused of that. in fact, there's not a lot of evidence to that effect. what he is accused of is bad enough. it's not -- there's not evidence in this indictment or does not advertise evidence that stone was involved in the hacking. he may be. but it's not presented here in this document. >> do you think the indictment points to further ind...

Roger stone in some capacity where he would have to testify at a future trial seems a little farfetched. >> my own sense is they don't need him. they don't want him to cooperate. they want to go ahead and try to convict him and send him to jail for several years. the indictment, as you know, preet, it lays out multiple occasions of contact between the trump campaign and roger stone about what would be coming ahead in the wikileaks hack e-mails. at one point a senior trump campaign official was directed -- was directed, according to the indictment, to contact stone about what information wikile...

And roger stone, unbelievably close to donald trump, he didn't make a political move in his life without consulting with both of these guys in the ten years leading up to his presidential campaign, that one pled guilty, one said it's not true, lying to the united states congress. the president associated with who they think they will get away with and be okay lying to the united states congress. i know that may seem like small to some folks as we talk about a russian plot. what the department of justice is saying, that's a significant no-no. donald trump chose to associate himself with folks t...