roger stone in some capacity where he would have to testify at a future trial seems a little farfetched. >> my own sense is they don't need him. they don't want him to cooperate. they want to go ahead and try to convict him and send him to jail for several years. the indictment, as you know, preet, it lays out multiple occasions of contact between the trump campaign and roger stone about what would be coming ahead in the wikileaks hack e-mails. at one point a senior trump campaign official was directed -- was directed, according to the indictment, to contact stone about what information wikileaks had on the clinton campaign. what does that tell you about where robert mueller is heading with this investigation? >> that all depends on the question you have been asking throughout the question, which is, who is the campaign official? who directed that campaign official? i have seen spem opeople specul that would be donald trump. we have seen in the past number of weeks that people need to be careful when they start using