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Investigation because, quote, great scholars have said there never should have been a special counsel, the president told bloomberg. so you have great scholars, which the president is not specifying who that is. let's also pull up federal judges and their views of whether or not the investigation is legal. so if you take a look at these four federal judges from president's from both parties, all of whom have ruled that the special counsel is, in fact, legal. so, despite what maybe is being heard on cable news -- but i want to ask you to the broader point here. is this the fight that's coming r...

Republican congressman ted yo of florida is joining us. thanks for joining us. >> you bet, wolf. great to hear you. >> is it appropriate, congressman, for the president's attorney rudy giuliani to be treating this investigation as a political football by dragging out the interview negotiations with robert mueller and suggesting, you know what, if there's no interview, that might be good in generating support among the president's base going into the midterm elections? >> you know, i think rudy giuliani is doing what he thinks is best for the president to move forward. this investigation really...

Up to the supreme court where trump is currently trying to install a hand-picked judge known for his skepticism of the power of prosecutors like bob mueller. so let's get to it. i'm joined by l.e. honig, joyce vance and mike lupica. i'll begin with you. you've tried many cases and been around many cases. have you ever seen live leaks of interview negotiations on a call-in show. >> no, i've never seen anything like it. i think what's happening is there's a chess game getting under way. rudy giuliani is making these demands on conditions for an interview that are really just outrageous. he wants...

But it seems there's another sticking point right now. namely, the obstruction investigation. let's go to our white house correspondent kaitlan collins outside the president's bedminster golf resort in new jersey. the president has been vacationing there over the past several days. where do we stand right now on the interview negotiations, kaitlan? >> reporter: wolf, we still seem to be very much in the middle of this. this has been going on for eight months now, the back and forth between the president's legal team and the special counsel's team over whether or not he's actually going to sit ...

Looking to do this in good faith and trying to get as full a picture and set of facts as he can. >> but if the interview negotiations fall apart, this could potentially, if there's a subpoena, wind up before the u.s. supreme court, what happens then? >> it could and that's the $50,000 question, right? there's a number of variables, one of which is the confirmation of the nominee judge brett kavanaugh to go up to the supreme court. i think, you know, congressman nadler had it right. there's pretty clear precedent here, notably with president clinton, a sitting president having to honor a subpoe...