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caution it's. ron klain having work to the judiciary committee with joe biden when he was chairman and the business of confirming those judges. ron klein told me about is last week of working for the white house that he's their underway fulfilling every vacancy in the federal courts. they might get to a point this year where they're sitting there with no vacancies. >> wow! >> that's just an astonishing accomplishment. >> at a time when it is abundantly clear how very important the judiciary is to be functioning democracy. >> exactly. we are joined tonight by harvard law officer profe...

among other things, mike pence's novel -- to put it kindly -- novel notion about why he should not have to testify before a grand jury. >> novel is one way of putting it, lawrence. i can't wait to see. it >> thanks, alex. >> thank you. >> well the breaking news of the night is that special prosecutor jeff jack smith has invoked the crime fraud exception in a motion to force one of donald trump's lawyers to testify before a grand jury without being able to refuse to answer questions because of the attorney client privilege. the crime fraud exception can overrule the attorney client...