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extent that threat to the american homeland that came from afghanistan has gone. al-qaeda is a much diminished force, and actually if america looks at the places where terrorism could become a threat, there are other places, particularly the middle east and north africa. exactly. one of the most interesting things that is bubbling up from people who study terrorism and have been doing since, well, for 20 years, since 9/11, is to know today that there have been isis groups, isis criticising the taliban for not winning in afghanistan. no, they didn't win byjihad, it was handed to them on a plate by the united states, who simply withdrew, they didn't earn their victory, and there is a sense that, to the degree that isis has any presence in afghanistan, that is something that the taliban may have to deal
with in the future. what has happened in the last 20 years, al-qaeda was driven into the mountains between afghanistan and pakistan very quickly. it was a very quick military victory. people forget that. i don't think any historian even 500 years from now will say that if the george bush administration had not pursued the al-qaeda remnants into the caves and found osama bin laden and completed the mission in december of 2001 instead of starting to withdraw troops and starting to build up to invade iraq, the whole story that we are talking about tonight would've been very, very different. and while there has been all this focus and concentration on afghanistan and a lot of, you know, troops tied down and a lot of money tied down, the franchises of isis, al-qaeda have grown, metastasized. .. isis grew out of the iraq
choosing not to attack. and of the practicalities of that, he's clearly trying to use this as a demonstration of american power, and to some extent that that to the american homeland that came from afghanistan has gone. al-qaeda is a much diminished force, and actually if america looks at the places where terrorism could become a threat, there are other places, particularly the middle east and north africa. exactly. one of the most interesting things that has bubbling up from people who study terrorism and have been doing since, well, for 20 years, since 9/11 is to know today that there have been isis groups, isis criticising the taliban for not winning in afghanistan. now, they didn't win byjihad, it was handed to them and updates by the united states to simply with zero, they didn't earn their victory, and there is a sense that, to the degree that isis has any
looks at the places where terrorism could become a threat, there are other places, particularly the middle east and north africa. exactly. one of the most interesting things that has bubbling up from people who study terrorism and have been doing since, well, for 20 years, since 9/11, is to know today that there have been isis groups, isis criticising the taliban for not winning in afghanistan. now, they didn't win byjihad, it was handed to them and updates by the united states to simply with zero, they didn't earn their victory, and there is a sense that, to the degree that isis has any presence in afghanistan, that is something that the taliban may have to deal with in the future. what has happened in the last 20 years, al-qaeda was driven into the mountains between afghanistan
you know, troops tied down and a lot of money tied down, the franchises of isis, al-qaeda have grown, metastasized, isis grew out of the iraq occupation from people who were imprisoned by the americans in iraq. now they are across central africa. they are in the horn of africa. and you know, they are also, let's not forget, for the most part, they are no longer operating on american or european soil. so another thing for americans and europeans to forget. unfortunately, if you live in those countries, northern parts of nigeria, for example, you can't forget because they are a part of daily life. they are a danger to you every single day. you mentioned that, and it's a very good point. janet, on some of these broader questions that got caught up in the aftermath of the afghan invasion, there was an interesting quote from joe biden in which he said the idea that we are able to
and pakistan very quickly. it was a very quick victory. people forget that. i don't think any historian from even 500 years from now even 500 years from now will say that if the george bush administration had not pursued the al-qaeda remnants into the caves and found osama bin laden and completed the mission in december of 2001 instead of starting to withdraw troops and starting to build up to invade iraq, the whole story that we are talking about tonight would've been very, very different. and while there has been all this focus and concentration on afghanistan and a lot of, you know, troops tied down and a lot of money tied down, the franchises of isis, al-qaeda have grown, metastasized, isis grew out of the iraq occupation from people who were imprisoned by the americans in iraq. now they are across central africa. they are in the horn of africa.
al-qaeda is a much diminished force, and actually if america looks at the places where terrorism could become a threat, there are other places, particularly the middle east and north africa. exactly. one of the most interesting things that has bubbling up from people who study terrorism and have been doing since, well, for 20 years, since 9/11 is to know today that there have been isis groups, isis criticising the taliban for not winning in afghanistan. now, they didn't win byjihad, it was handed to them and updates by the united states to simply with zero, they didn't earn their victory, and there is a sense that , to the degree that isis has any presence in afghanistan, that is something that the taliban may have to deal with in the future. what has happened in the last 20 years, al-qaeda was driven into the mountains between afghanistan and pakistan very quickly. it was a very quick victory. people forget that.
then i don't think any historian from even 500 years from now will say that if the george bush administration had not pursued the al-qaeda remnants into the caves and found 0sama bin laden and completed the mission in december of 2001 instead of starting to withdraw troops and starting to build up to invade iraq, the whole story that are talking about tonight would've been very, very different. and while there has been all this focus and concentration on afghanistan and a lot of, you know, troops tied down and a lot of money tied down, the franchises of isis, al-qaeda have grown, metastasized, isis grew out of the iraq occupation from people who were imprisoned by the americans in iraq. now they are across central africa. they are in the horn of africa. and you know, they are also, let's not forget, for the most part, they are no longer operating on american or european soil.