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Joan. annoy you're pro-choice and i'm pro-choice. i do have concerns about abortion a lot. i wish we could get together and have a national campaign to reduce the number of abortions voluntarily because that's what it's going to take. it's going to be legal. the question, are you going to reduce it through birth control, through adoption, through all kinds of education there are ways to do it without interfering in people's lives. >> and people who are against this are also against birth control. so they're contributing to more abortion. >> you get into late term. there are options for adoptio...

>> speaking of laughable, i have to go back to this because earlier today, congresswoman marshall blackburn tried her best to claim that the doomed abortion bill currently occupying the house of representatives is anything more than a pathetic pander in an interview with my colleague craig melvin. >> is this purely pandering? >> no, it isn't pandering at all. it's saving the life of women and of babies, pandering? absolutely not. i can't believe you would say something like that. how dare you? how could you say something like that about a bill that has absolutely no chance of becoming law. don...

Joan. i'm pro-choice and i know you're pro-choice. i wish we could get together and have a national campaign to reduce the number of abortions voluntarily because that's what it's going to take. it's going to be legal. reduce it through birth control, adoption, through education. there are ways to do it without interfering >> people who waist their times doing this are also against birth control so they're contributing to more abortion. >> you get into late term. there are options for adoption at that point. it should be part of a national discussion. earlier today, on msnbc, congressman marsh...

Saying, the people of new orleans -- they don't care about you as much to eye predominantly african-american audience, saying, hey, we don't need to build highways in the suburbs. we need to build nem in our neighborhoods. first of all, what do you make of the changing cadence? >> well, we have seen that game played before, hillary clinton, al gore, joe biden and whatever. that's political pandering. this isn't pandering, though, sean. this is obama being who he is. he didn't evolve from the frank marshal davis, derek bell teachings, he didn't evolve from his involvement with bill ayers and re...

Saying, the people of new orleans -- they don't care about you as much to eye predominantly african-american audience, saying, hey, we don't need to build highways in the suburbs. we need to build nem in our neighborhoods. first of all, what do you make of the changing cadence? >> well, we have seen that game played before, hillary clinton, al gore, joe biden and whatever. that's political pandering. this isn't pandering, though, sean. this is obama being who he is. he didn't evolve from the frank marshal davis, derek bell teachings, he didn't evolve from his involvement with bill ayers and re...