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I'm a noninterventionist so i've been disappointed in trying to solve these problems with war. i think you solve them with dialogue but it's a disappointment. >> i'm with you on the dialogue. i'm with you with not wanting to have our fellow countrymen become xenophobic isolationists. do you accept that russia messed around with our elections in 2016 and attacked our electoral processes? >> good question. every intelligence briefing classified that i've read here in congress has a level of confidence associated with each of the points in there and they have presented us with varying levels of c...

With your nomination, that i don't think it reflects the millions of people who voted for president trump who actually voted for him because they thought it would be different and not the traditional bipartisan consensus to bomb everywhere and be everywhere around the world. >> now just moments ago senator paul will meet with pompeo after a phone call from president trump and we'll see what happens in the meeting. i don't know that paul doesn't have a point there. it is true that the president offered a different foreign policy vision. >> absolutely. and up until this point, i think he's gone ...

We've done with the 25% tariffs for those guys that come in and dump their steel all over the place, by the way, it's not good steel, you guys know what i mean, it's trap. but your steel is coming back. it's all coming back. >> i guess we'll see, john meacham, we seen tariffs backfire sometimes in the past. right? >> yeah. well the 1920s is a period worth studying pretty closely, because we restricted immigration. we built tariff walls and had isolationism. we know what happened in the early 40s, steve ban none said a moment ago if your clip, history is on the side of the isolationists and the...

There's very little voice for engagement in the world. on those issues where paul ryan feels very strongly, he's deneeded he's not going to fight trump. and the world is watching. you and i travel a lot. everybody is struck by this inward turn. you know, that the united states has become both isolationists but also unpredictable. >> both of those. also, the image, the example we're setting is not one that the world respects, in many cases. a lot of people are telling me this is not the united states that i thought i knew. this is something very different. we saw this week at the u.n., the unit...

That's wonderful. >> the part that strikes me is wherever -- however you look at it, the one thing that seems consistent is there's very little voice for american engagement in the world. you know, on those issues where paul ryan i think feels strongly, he's decided he's not going to fight trump. trump's instincts are very narrow. the world is watching. you and i travel a lot. everybody is struck by the inward turn of -- the united states has both become isolationists but also unpredictable. >> also the example we're setting is not one the rest of the world respects in many cases. people are t...