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Maintain with the former president, but maybe at least not run directly afoul of him. >> well, they say he has admitted he hasn't spoken to him since the summer. go on, preet. >> i don't know what kind of relationship he is trying to preserve. more than likely he is trying to preserve some kind of but i think under no circumstances will these folks be testifying if mike pence wasn't okay with it. and it seems like what the vice president is doing is trying to have his cake and eat it too. in other words he doesn't want to testify, appear before the committee and say bad things about donald tru...

With because we've had two recent ones. first of all, it starts in the new york state assembly, which is essentially the equivalent of the house of representatives. that vote has to be by a majority. but if it happens, the governor loses his power temporarily. it goes right over to the lieutenant governor, kathy hochul, who made a very strong statement today, in contrast to the federal system of course when donald trump was impeached power did not go over to mike peps. t pence. when you get to the trial in the new york state senate it's the senate plus the seven judges on new york state's high...

He urged then vice president t pence who would preside over the certification to, quote, do the right thing by rejecting various states electoral votes and refusing to certify the election in favor of mr. biden. toward the end of the speech, president trump announced to hii supporters that, quote, we're going to walk down pennsylvania avenue to the capitol, and we're going to try and give our republicans the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. urging the crowd to demand that congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated. w...

Are going to strike the deal? is it pence and pelosi who strike the deal? >> the white house has to -- >> i think that is part of the problem. is it donald trump and the freedom caucus who eventually figure out what they want and what they can agree to? i don't bow. >> mcconnell and schumer did strike a deal. the house was ready to do it, trump said no. so trump has to decide when is the pressure high enough on him that he has to give? and he will have to give because there's no incentive, there's no one in the democratic party and privately there's very few people in the republican party and ...

Possible way. like mike pence's loyalty to president trump knows no bounds. you can even see it in his eyes as jane maier describes it pence looks at trump with a devotion counsel gaze rarely seen since the days of nancy reagan. it's starting to get weird. like this scene yesterday. >> we just had a strategic plan. it's a plan for the whole community. it's a plan that i'd like to unify the federal government response. >> what was that about? did you see that? the bizarro water bottle situation with mike pence and donald trump? that's thing 2 in 60 seconds. roe southern coast of ireland. i thin...