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Because of the last few years. the quote you hear, and you tell biden, you simply cannot jawbone americans into believing things are better than they feel. you just said something similar but you were pretty direct there. explain what you mean. how has he jawboned? >> i don't know if you recall his press conference before the anniversary of his inauguration, but he was very, very energetic in selling all of his achievements and selling the idea of progress. and i just could see people around the country who are struggling still with this virus, who are struggling still with a sense of we don't...

Be. i promise you, we're going to be, and here is why. i mean, that's the kind of speech i think the people want to hear. >> so i want to talk more. listen, you know. you've been there. and more specifically, you say, i mean, i think you're blunt. more bluntly than what you wrote in "the times," you write about people being stressed out, burned out because of the last few years. >> yes. >> i want to quote you here, and you tell biden, you simply cannot jawbone americans into believing things are better than they feel. you've just said something similar. explain what you mean. how does he jawbo...

You simply cannot jawbone americans into believing that things are better than they feel. end quote. what do you mean? >> yeah. no. i think that is important. i think you have to link up to the lived experience of people. and there is an impulse and, look, we felt it in the obama white house during the great recession. there is an impulse to report on the -- all the good things that you've done, and all the efforts you've made and the progress that it's produced. but if you do that too energetically, without regard to what people are feeling. without regard to the fact that we have gone throug...

And out of touch. you simply cannot jawbone americans into believing things are better than they feel. tell us a little bit more about where you're coming from with this? >> well, where i'm coming from is the experience of having been in the obama white house during the first years of the great recession. and, you know, we -- we did many things that we felt were important that did produce progress, but it wasn't progress people were feeling immediately in their lives. i mean, we get a better jobs report, we want to tout that. but that's not the mood people were in. so you have to be careful. y...

Victor davis hanson would know. he's a senior fellow at the hoover institution. he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. volunteers to seal the border. what is this? >> i think it's shorthand for in 14 months, it's not that they made the border porous, they blew it up, it doesn't exist anymore. they have no problem because they're ideologues but they do have trouble with losing power because that issue is one that americans care deeply about. one of the reasons they're going to get voted out in november and they're starting to panic. they know there's a solution -- finish the wall, like w...