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Political contributor jake sherman. Theres a lot to talk about at the start of the week. Michael cohen and donald trump are accusing each other of being liars. You know what, they could both actually be right. They could. Actually they are. On that point at least both of telling the truth. But well talk about the ongoing fight about president ial pardons and how it impacts everything. Plus the president pencils in billions of dollars in the new budget for the border wall. That is the american budget, not mexicos, whom he repeatedly promised would pay for the wall. I guarantee it. Yeah. And lot...

In the crowd. but there's an intensity to our divisions now, which is something we haven't seen in a while. the question is how long is that intensity going to last? is anything going to tamp it down. joe biden thought he would do it by his outreach. he is not trying to inflame divisions. some things you can't do too much about. . >> for sure. john harward, thank you for being with us this morning. who was behind president trump's efforts to recovery turn the results of the 2020 election. >> trump is already trash talking a potential 2024 o opp opponent. his new comments about ron desantis n...

Hickenlooper. joining us now, john harward and brett stevens, whose latest column is called "capitalism and the democratic party" in which he argues democrats who can't embrace the word capitalism are handing president trump the presidency. >> capitalism needs to be reformed to work for more americans but that wasn't the answer we got. brett stevens, i take it that you also, like me, do not believe it needs to be a hard question to answer where when al

Criminals and people that have lots of problems and drugs pouring into our country. so i will take the mantle. i will be the one to shut it down. i'm not going to blame you for it. the last time you shut it down, it didn't work. i'll take the mantle of shutting it down and shut it down for border security. >> joining me now, senior adviser at moveon.org and john harward and then david jolly no longer affiliated with the party. i want to go to david jolly. you're at the disadvantage not sitting with us here in the studios. i'll go to you first. donald trump, in principle frip agreed to sign off...

The stick, which is what they did this week. >> you can only hope it continues. joining us in the conversation, kristen soltis anderson, chief washington correspondent for cnbc, john harward, and senior writer at politico and co-author of "the play book" jake sherman is with us as well. >> jake, you were tweeting in realtime about a fight erupting on the floor. i had been off of twitter for the better part of the week, a trip with my daughte i was seeing in the realtime. you said no meadows is going over to ryan and they are yelling at each other. you talked about trump being called out. it se...