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Set themselves up and they had to repudiate or refudiate as sarah palin would say all the crazy tea party ideas and billboards, et cetera, coming out, they would be there all day and they would be very busy and they would be very sad and unhappy. so they've got a tea party caucus but it doesn't speak for the tea party or talk about anything the tea party believes. okay. fine. >> john, they can't -- i was going to say that they would be responsible, as joan said, for ripping down the racist signs at every one of the tea party events. >> yeah. >> you can practically see them at. here we have a m...

Most of it? >> well, she's going to her deepest base. i would also say, i'll give her this much credit. i think she believes some of this crazy stuff so i don't think she's only being an opportunist. i really think she believes it and i think she's a little bit dangerous because she believes it, that she thinks a lot of us are un-american and that there should be an investigation into our beliefs, et cetera, but i believe she holds her ideas sincerely. there's they are very bad ideas, and when the american electorate gets really exposed to the full spectrum of ideas, this will be a very tough ...

Come back to their senses and start moving back towards the middle. you can see this happening. like i say, if the republicans win the house and also win the senate especially, you can imagine heading into this 2012 election someone like sarah palin or someone who is able to appeal to sarah palin's voters, and it's noticeable. you know, one of the things that happened today was that someone you might never have expected to align with this caucus, mike pence, someone who wants to run for president. >> mike pence, very sad. >> wants to be part of this tea party caucus. >> very sad. >> that is a ...

>> john, the only thing i can remember is history, and i remember it -- people say this isn't going to happen, but i remember in 1964 out here in the cow palace in california in san francisco where moderate republicans were booted out of the room. people like nelson rockefeller, the behavior by the crazy republican party who eventually nominated a guy who wasn't crazy but appealed to the crazies, barry goldwater, really happens. i can see the tea party people led by bachmann storming into tampa in 2012 and demanding a platform which calls for second amendment remedies, right to carry at politi...

>> is michele bachmann any different than harry reid or anybody else in a tough situation, so you go to your deepest base and try to make the most of it? >> well, she's going to her deepest base. i would also say, i'll give her this much credit. i think she believes some of this crazy stuff so i don't think she's only being an opportunist. i really think she believes it and i think she's a little bit dangerous because she believes it, that she thinks a lot of us are un-american and that there should be an investigation into our beliefs, et cetera, but i believe she holds her ideas sincerely. t...