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Institution. and admiral john nathan. he led no-fly operations in iraq and bosnia and was the lead fa-18 pilot in the 1986 strike on libya. admiral, how difficult would it be to establish a no-fly zone over libya? >> well, i think that's a great question. before we just assume away that a no-fly zone is going to be effective, i think particularly for the american public, they have to understand as secretary gates has been warning, that this is not a trivial issue. the first thing you have to do is establish it, and then you have to enforce it. and this right now libya has a current operational...

It really be, what would that look like? joining us live from princeton, new jersey, emery slaughter from princeton university. she's former director of policy planning for the state department. in washington, professor fouad ajami of johns hopkins school of advanced international study, and senior fellow at the hoover institution. and admiral john nathan. he led no-fly operations in iraq and bosnia and was the lead fa-18 pilot in the 1986 strike on libya. admiral, how difficult would it be to establish a no-fly zone over libya? >> well, i think that's a great question. before we just assume a...

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she arrived last friday and immediately witnessed large numbers of protesters marching towards libyan tanks. a few had pistols but the vast majority were unarmed. no one fired as they marched. then libyan forces began shooting them down. >> reporter: at this point, the gadhafi regime is insisting to reporters in tripoli that his forces are in control here. [ gunfire ] well, this is how he's trying to stay in power. [ gunfire continues ] but the rebels have their own firepower, courtesy of army defectors. >> more from alex crawford in just a moment. for days she documented the battle....

reporter named alex crawford who got into zawia and spent days there, documents what she calls a massacre. she arrived last friday and immediately witnessed large numbers of protesters marching towards libyan tanks. no one fired as they marched. then libyan forces began shooting them down. >> reporter: at this point, the gadhafi regime is insisting to reporters in tripoli that his forces are in control here. [ gunfire ] well, this is how he's trying to stay in power. [ gunfire continues ] but the rebels have their own firepower, courtesy of army defect defectors. >> more from alex cr...