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Thomas who said he's not going anywhere. and when you look at an amy coney barrett, she could be on the court until 2052. they have to live with these justices and so if that environment they're asking for reform. >> no, absolutely. and when you look at the spectrum of what has happened over last six weeks or so, we had an unfavorable ruling toward unions, excuse me, ruling toward environmentalists. unfavorable ruling toward lgbtq, student loans and then affirmative action which touches on minority voters. when you speak to democrats, they feel as though this could be a galvanizing issue to ge...

Selma dealing with the aftermath still of that natural disaster, there is sort of a limited extent to what these performtive acts of solidarity can actually achieve. he has got to use this really to speak to a core constituency. i interviewed black parents in virginia who are really concerned about the way that the legacy and the impact of slavery and racism is taught in this country. and so he has got to speak to that anxiety. >> it used to be that the idea of, let's call it diversity in america was not all of that controversial. maybe you might have disagreed about how you got there, but the...

You not based on that kevin mccarthy space that he was giving -- that he was getting the room -- >> he was not reading the. room [laughs] >> when you think lindsey graham wanted to pass a national ban on abortions after 15 weeks, you have to -- to your point, if you are republican leader you have to ask yourself why. unless you are doing this for purely a moral outrage that is something that you believe in and that's motivating you, but you have nothing to gain by trying to push a band that has not been rejected in a handful of states in the candidate who ran on these extreme positions on repr...

Why it's so important that bill barr saying what he's saying, because he is someone who has typically really stood by the president. so, i do think that it will reach a certain number of people. overall, he still has this core constituency that will make excuses for pretty much everything that he does. and even though there really is no excuse for this. the most low level employee in the government knows that what he has done is illegal. and if anybody else did it, with even one document, they would be in a lot of trouble. so, it's pretty clear, whatever his motives were, it's only, the only t...

Supporters against him? no. but i do think that this kind of thing has at least, among people who are commentators and thinkers, we are seen across the political spectrum people actually recognizing how problematic this is, which is why it's so important that bill barr saying what he's saying, because he is someone who has typically really stood by the president. so, i do think that it will reach a certain number of people. overall, he still has this core constituency that will make excuses for pretty much everything that he does. and even though there really is no excuse for this. the most lo...