SFGTV May 4, 2013
and then go around that commitment and engage all these other programs which is what's been happening. there's no reason to hire at the journey level rate as an entry level spot when you have an already previously committed to apprenticeship [inaudible]. so, our concern was that the department insisted on hiring 34 17s instead of hiring 34 10s. and that's where our union put its money where its mouth is. we gave the wages. the apprentices make 55% of the journey [inaudible] these workers [speaker not understood] to make a commitment to the citizens we serve and to city college to get...