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had 10 million? perhaps they'd watch the internet. in lynchburg, the kidnapping was big news. tv crew set up shop across the street and captured heiko driving his use mercedes coop. there you are in your fancy car. >> yes. >> you must be worth millions. >> that was the wrong, wrong impression. >> i'm not a rich person, but i will give whatever i can get together. okay? >> we need 10 million u.s. dollars for the release of your family. okay? >> heiko was lucky in this. when mr. so made his demands, some of the most experienced fbi hostage negotiations in the country were right there listening in. ready to point out the right way for heiko to respond. literally. >> these are for general visual prompts that we want heiko to think about. we have other questions related to kevin and gerfa, that we think are important for heiko taken sitter. and while we're doing that,

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believe they caught us. we marched back into that cage. >> that tiny, little cage? which must have felt like a tomb to you? >> we know we are going to die in that cage. >> but their captors were on edge. for a reason. this is nbc news footage of military exercises on the coast of basilan in september of 2011. about two months into gerfa's ordeal. the philippine military supported by american advisers, was launching an offensive against abu sayyaf, which in turn became so nervous, they decided to move kevin, gerfa and her cousin, out of that cage and into a windowless room in a farmhouse about a day's hike away. and then, one of them pulled gerfa from their cell. they were taking her away. >> and at that point it was like, oh my gosh, they're going to separate me for my son. >> they told her she would be back the next day. but she was convinced her time was up.

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>> he could hear the terror in her voice. abu sayyaf still had kevin and her cousin. they could kill them anytime they wanted. >> and i felt her dark place, a mother myself. and it was awful. >> before long, the terror deepened, when she learned her cousin got out, which meant that there in that awful place, her 14 year old son, no one left to protect him, was all alone. >> i remember seeing the picture of her that was in the news and she just looked so sad. she looked so sad and helpless. >> this is gerfa, and even five years later, the memory is brutal. we brought her back here to the philippines and oscar to tell us her story. the story that began at 2:00 in the morning, at the end of a happy family reunion on a beach, just about like this one. >> it does take you back. you can hear the water, the waves. you can feel the wind.

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i didn't know what to expect because of what they've been through. but they were just so grateful to be back with their family. >> in 2012, the philippine army caught three of gerfa and kevin's got kidnappers. they return to the philippines to testify at their trial and helped sent their captors to prison. kevin was honored for his bravery by the virginia general assembly and met president obama. then kevin went off to college, had an idea about joining the fbi one day. >> he was there, you know, as a boy. and now he came back as a man. you must be pretty proud of that boy? >> very proud. >> years that separate their ordeal from this evening on the beach with us have erased not a moment of the memory. the terror their shared. the pain, the desperation, sorrow. and finally, joy. but we look on and see a bond

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i'm getting worried. i'm getting so worried. >> a few seconds later, the line went dead. >> oh, my god -- i'm smoking a cigarette. >> heiko, you need to be ready. >> the frustration must be pretty -- >> the frustration was immense. >> if he is not calm and our hostage takers are going to be calm. so oftentimes i would have to tell heiko be quiet, let the hostage takers speak and then we would have a chance to respond. >> and then what? how long before they are tired of the game and kill the two great loves of his life? >> i've worked these cases that will last years instead of months. >> i said, i'm not gonna make it years. i mean, there's no way. >> heiko didn't have to wait that long. three months after gerfa and kevin were taken, there was a very different phone call. and for heiko, it was

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particular darkness. >> i constantly followed kevin. the minute he's three feet away from, he is gone. it's like he's gone in the dark. >> then a light, just a flash, really. a car in the distance. the kidnappers seemed terrified by a, and gerfa was ripped by a fear more terrible than any in her life. >> immediately, someone stood really close to kevin, and i saw that silver rifle, the tip of it, just went close to his forehead, and at that point, i just realized, i was like... oh, my gosh, i might lose my son that night. >> coming up -- >> you're ready to die? >> i was ready. i said lord, thank you for the beautiful family you gave me. i said, if you want me to come home, i'm ready. >> when dateline continues.

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in the heart of the jungle. here with the conclusion of our story is keith morrison. >> for two days, one long night, kevin lunsmann could practically feel his captors breath on this back. their guns on his back. as he ran. somehow, eluded them. >> all my clothes were all covered in mud. black mud. everything, my hair was ruffled. i smelled terrible. i probably had over 100 or more lacerations. blood all over my arms as well. so i didn't look too good. >> and then he took that one necessary risk. emerged to a public road and -- there it was. the end. clearly, a local, on this abu sayyaf infested island. and he had a very big gun. >> i thought that that was -- it was all over. i had escaped and walk through all of that terrain and it was for nothing. they had found me and they were going to bring me back. >> but then the man spoke.

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it's for you, the agent told gerfa. >> the mayor said, mrs. lunsmann, kevin is out! i said, what? what? it is chaos after that. i was like, cabin! he was like, hey mom, it's. kevin a beautiful sound, it's my son. >> kevin was free, but how? >> crazy story of my life, probably. i don't think it was ever going to happen. >> here he is, kevin lunsmann. now in his twenties. and this is his amazing story. which began a moment before the kidnappers took his mom away. when she leaned forward, and whispered in his ear. >> i remember the words exactly she said. you have to get home to your father. you have to get back home.

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we're going to write notes down and pass them to heiko, who would read it and then hopefully introduce it to the conversation. >> where is my wife? can i talk to her? is she okay? where is my son? >> yeah, no. your son is -- >> can i talk to them? i want to know if they're okay. >> mr. so didn't say. meanwhile, fbi agents in the philippines were working sources on the ground. word was that gerfa and kevin had been taken to one of abu sayyaf's strong holes, basilan, a large island about four hours by boat from where they've been kidnapped. to a base camp deep in what was nearly impenetrable jungle. >> we travel to basilan to talk with politicians there who may have had influence over this group. >> heiko had the fbi to help. but government money? no. >> you don't pay ransom? >> the government doesn't pay ransom. >> any decisions that are made

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