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You know what, that might not be what people are looking for now. that might be pretty effective a year and a half from now, 12 months from now when someone is debating the least apologetic, least contrite person in america. it's really a matter of understanding what you say, what you say you want someone to beat trump. we don't even know ow trump won let alone how to beat him. >> part of the debate tonight was you had most of the moderates in the race all on the stage together. they were all pretty much shooting toward the middle. they were all pretty much shooting toward sanders and warren. ...

Join me in a moment. he told "the new york times" in this new piece "mueller's never cared a wit how he came off in the media because he's always subscribed to the doj rule that you speak through your words and actions in court." matt miller is here along with law professor jen fare taub from vermont. >> a lot of people were expecting bob mueller to deliver the final knockout punch for donald trump to take the words of his report and show up as the kind of witness who would be kind of like jim comey has been in his appearances. people who knew bob mueller would always tell you that wasn't true...

Points over the last, you know, month or. so and there is going to be a lot of pressure on him to see whether or not he can turn around his performance or if he is going to be sleepy joe in the next round and what's -- is kamala go still going to be strong mayor pete makes a good showing? i think there is a lot resting on this next round. >> melissa: when you look at the fallout, since the debate, the one that has gone up the most, jesse, is kamala harris. i mean, she has seen her -- if you look there the difference between, you know, there on june 11th vs. july 2nd, she has seen uptick of 13 ...

Going to define the debate. it seems to me i was thinking about it. it's almost like i say, let's make sure we understand, beto o'rourke has a wonderful plan on racial reform, notwithstanding he doesn't want to repeal this section. i don't understand why he's quibbling about it. you would think he would embrace it, because it's almost like saying, well, i'm for everybody getting a college education, but you know, unless you haven't paid those overdue bills at your overdue library, for the book you took out when you were in high school. i mean, there isn't that big of a difference for me, and f...

How bullies work there was one frightening bully like mr. t, but the real guy was sent to prison his whole life. nobody wanted to fight sonny list. knocked him out, never fight again. who has the knockout punch to take down the bully? >> i think a couple of them do. i think that biden can knock him out. i think warren can knock him out. i think kamala can put him on his behind. i think there are several people that can. the reality is we have to paint donald trump as donald trump has painted himself. he is erratic, he is unstable, and he is unreliable, right? and he is a threat to america's na...