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Different? does an does an insurgent conservative candidacy have a real shot do you think in 2016? >> yeah. i conservatives that frank just mentioned could be considered front runners or will at this time when we have the discussion at the end of the year perhaps be the front runner heading into the iowa caucuses. there's no question there's been a shift to the right. i think money, fund raising doesn't matter as much as it once did. if you look back at the 2012 republican primaries, virtually every candidate including some fringe candidate had a moment in the sun, had a moment when they were ...

I know you guys are upset that the economy is doing so well and you can't claim that under obama it's done poorly. >> it's the slowest -- >> i'm saying -- >> one at a time, gentlemen. i know. lanny, steve makes a really good point. i mean, she is very much -- to call hillary clinton an innovator, she's not you know, someone who's going to radically rethink the nature of man's relationship to the state. >> you're great at the phrase -- all i can tell you is that the popular polls right now show that they all disagree with the three of you conservative republicans. >> do they? so we have an actu...

I know you guys are upset that the economy is doing so well and you can't claim that under obama it's done poorly. >> it's the slowest -- >> i'm saying -- >> one at a time, gentlemen. i know. lanny, steve makes a really good point. i mean, she is very much -- to call hillary clinton an innovator, she's not you know, someone who's going to radically rethink the nature of man's relationship to the state. >> you're great at the phrase -- all i can tell you is that the popular polls right now show that they all disagree with the three of you conservative republicans. >> do they? so we have an actu...

Somebody wrote recently that hillary clinton should be attacked from the left given that she's been a traditional progressive in our party for over 40 years. >> don't you think frank luntz that's an interesting point? i mean hillary clinton's always been considered from my perspective and conservative's perspective on the far left fringe of her party. that's no longer the case, is it, at all? i mean that party we talk about republicans have changed, the democrats have changed and moved way left have they not? >> we've never seen anyone like elizabeth warren. she's the one who's captured the de...

Base in the democratic party -- >> frank don't you think -- >> you guys have a tough argument other than -- >> i'm going to have to cut you -- >> barack obama -- lanny she's four more years of barack obama. we already saw in this election that was only six weeks ago lanny -- >> timing looks pretty -- >> this is a record number of state legislators who are republican. a record number of governors who are republican. one seat away from the record number of senators who are republican. the highest republican majority in the house since 1928. lanny, get your numbers straight. this was the biggest ...