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Secure delegates. He has no path to victory. Its impossible for him to win with the votes. The only way he can possibly win is if things go terribly wrong and he goes through the back door and he bought all of these delegates and i will never use the word bribe. I would never use a word like bribe. So if he bribed the delegates but i dont call it bribe. You have to remember here at this state convention, martin, that a number of people who attend are party insiders, the very same people that trump has been so critical of in the past, having said that trump did make an attempt to talk about uni...

So in private u wink and nod, and in public you say rpgs i'm my own guy, and youngkin is one that is not directly out of that trump mold. that's one of the reasons why this frl the model, that will be the mold. mcauliffe is doing better than covid. there could have been a dealbreaker months ago. at the moment it feels less urgent. that's a policy commitment that could have real implications for public health. >> for sure. john, thank you. larry sobato, john, good to have you both.