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they can't protect us from the harms they know exist in their own system. so i don't think it's just a question of should people have the option of choosing to not be manipulated by their algorithms. i think if we had appropriate oversight or to make facebook responsible for the konconseques of their intentional decisions, i think they would get rid of it because it is causing teenagers to be more exposed to more anorexia content and in ethiopia, it's literally fanning ethnic violence. it encourage reform of these platforms. not picking and choosing individual ideas, but instead making the platforms themselves safer. less twitchy. less reactive. less viral. because that's how we scale bly solve these problems. >> miss chair, i would simply say let's get to work. we got some things we can do here.
a hard intervention is like taking a user off facebook. soft interventions are about making slightly different choices to make the platform less viral. less twitchy. mark was presented with these options and chose to not remove downstream msi in april of 2020 even though, even just isolated at-risk countries. countries at risk of violence. if it had any impact on the overall msi metric. >> which in translation means less money. >> yeah. he said -- >> was there another reason given why they would do it other than they thought it would really affect their numbers? >> i don't know for certain, like jeff horowitz, the reporter for the "wall street journal" struggled with this. we read these minutes. like, how is this possible? we've just read 100 pages on how msi causes graphic content.