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Decided that they're not going to allow people to continue to call them bigots just because they want to defend something that has been traditionally since the beginning of time between one man and one woman and they're willing to compromise. i'm willing to compromise. i think civil unions are something that the people are in favor of but hold on. but you call somebody like me a bigot because you don't want to respect any other viewpoint but your own and therefore you say i'm a bigot because you have no respect for my marriage or tradition. >> are you calling ben a bigot? are we going there? >...

Fact that, you know, should this be a state's issue? he has a point, a lot of people have a point. >> i don't know. let me go back on that. we had a country that 50, 60 years ago states had voted through their legislatures and created all sorts of laws to create separate but equal. and the court stepped in and said there is an inherent constitutional, national right to equal protection under the law. so i don't buy the states' rights. 60 or 70 years ago, states rights was a clarion call for bigots just as i think it is right now. >> okay. >> ben ferguson, respond, you have the last word. >> le...

End of the day, we have one vote. that one vote was loud for the president. >> here is my question to you. this is something i think about a lot. let's imagine mitt romney and barack obama both run and they each run, they have $10 million. just $10 million. are they running the same race, each of them, $10 million versus $10 million as they each run with $100 billion or $1 billion. as the money goes up, are we finding the same e quill librium or is there something that is changing the dynamics of the politics as we climb up. >> as you have more money, you are allowed to be more dynamic on the ...

He's very quick to remind you that he is someone with a lot of strong opinions who's been around and done this or that. i think being a vice president is a very sort of subordinating role almost by definition. it took adjustment. there have been rough patches, no doubt. >> there have been. the president relied on joe biden a great deal. i have been surprised with how well this relationship has worked. i think it says something about both men. >> yeah. >> joe biden has been a senator since '29. let's be blunt. he knows so much more about every aspect of the federal government than barack obama ...

Rectitude. donald rumsfeld said this this week. water boarding, let's be blunt, did not produce an enormous amount of intelligence, to say that they just aren't facing the truth. how do you respond? >> first of all, i'm not going to comment on specific pieces of intelligence in the source. point two, i can tell you this. that the intelligence achievement here, the intelligence assessment that was brought before president obama beginning in the summer of last year which resulted in hundreds of pieces of intelligence over many years by the cia and other institutions in the government, no single ...