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with house money. the debt ceiling has been hit and the treasury department is starting to take extraordinary steps to avoid default. the devastating results that could have on our economy. does kevin mccarthy even have a plan? and then, rupert murdoch under oath. the lies told on his network promoting the big lie. his testimony is significant in the case where truth matters. and the george santos saga continues, he is now accused of swindling a disabled veteran and his dying dog as the 11th hour gets underway on this busy thursday night. >> good evening once again, i am stephanie ru...

the debt ceiling has been hit and the treasury department is starting to take extraordinary steps to avoid default. the devastating results that could have on our economy. does kevin mccarthy even have a plan? and then, rupert murdoch under oath. the lies told on his network promoting the big lie. his testimony is significant in the case where truth matters. and the george santos saga continues, he is now accused of swindling a disabled veteran and his dying dog as the 11th hour gets underway on this busy thursday night. >> good evening once again, i am stephanie ruhle. buckle up kid...

Of the show simone on peacock, msnbc and mark mckinnon, former adviser post george w. bush and john mccain. he is one of the co-hosts of the circus on showtime. simone, i get it, two weeks ago kevin mccarthy needed santos's vote, needed santos's vote. mccarthy has the gavel. now at what point does he move george santos from the asset column to the liability column and sent him packing? >> well, i think that the thing that republicans in the house are weighing staff is in fact that the majority is very slim. and so that every seat matters. and fortunately or unfortunately for republicans, georg...

>> he our reporters said obama has become poison. so i this i that's in the liability column. >> what do you see? >> 41% no one's going to be inviting had imnow. the other thing that was in that poll, republican brand is not very good at all. in fact, it's worse than the democratic brand when it comes to congress. it's not going to be like republicans are able to be capitalize on that that much. i don't think you're going to see the president visiting as many places as he has in the past. >> real estate wise, obviously it will not be a positive. but the only person that can get democratic vote...

>> he our reporters said obama has become poison. so i this i that's in the liability column. >> what do you see? >> 41% no one's going to be inviting had imnow. the other thing that was in that poll, republican brand is not very good at all. in fact, it's worse than the democratic brand when it comes to congress. it's not going to be like republicans are able to be capitalize on that that much. i don't think you're going to see the president visiting as many places as he has in the past. >> real estate wise, obviously it will not be a positive. but the only person that can get democratic vote...