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Limitations don't run past the election. so it can't be a sitting president indicted, but with charges still out there, you could have a possible outgoing president. and the irony is not lost on anyone. you have eight charges being brought and convicted from the paul manafort. you have michael cohen and the eight allegations against him. and the president trying to get eight years in office. one of the eights will have to fail, and it's not the first two. >> not to get too legalistic here, but as you set this case, there needs to be supporting documents for what michael cohen is saying. one ma...

Campaign finance. so we are unclear how that would be directed in this similar case. however, i will note that the rock and the hard place that we're talking about about donald trump, not only do you remember desouza pardoned by the president of the united states for what? a campaign finance violation for personally contributing for using a straw donor. the president is well aware of his pardoning power as it comes to terms with this particular sort of case. he's not been willing to extend it to this point in time to michael cohen, perhaps the trail is the reason, but he's already exercised hi...

Re-examine and talk to cohen again about anything he may have to offer about the russian election. so that opening is there for the senate. >> so laura, what is the legal, not political, jeopardy of the united states today? >> michael cohen, the crime that he's admitted to committing for the campaign finance violations alone, you're talking about five years in prison. and $250,000 for a fine for the doj felonies. you're talking about the exposure of one alleged co-kin co-conspirator. the doj policy they you cannot indict a sitting president. now, we know in washington, d.c. and everywhere else...