Scrutiny, not that he is a subject of this investigation right now. so they draw a distinction between those individuals that have been more formally identified as subjects -- michael flynn, the former national security adviser, and paul manafort, who obviously played a critical role in the course of the campaign as the campaign chairman for a period of time. but that is what we're hearing right now from jared kushner's attorney. we're going to reach out and see if the white house has any specific reaction to this as well. we have not yet heard from them. >> and we have not heard from presiden...