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Behind—the—scenes stuff — and what worries me, - i think, is far too much. of this now is happening amongst our colleagues. it shouldn't be being leaked to the press. | yes. the diplomacy should really be in secret - and behind the scenes. and that's why, you know, one isn't sure where this is going. i but i myself remain slightly. sceptical that it's going to go into a hot place. i'm with president zelensky in kyiv — i think everybody. should cool down a bit! chuckles. good. well, let's hope they're listening, wherever they may be, the voices whispering and the people doing the briefi...

To be clear and consistent — the message needs to be a clear one and consistent one. exactly. but you know, clarity — clarity is very hard and it'sj behind—the—scenes stuff — and what worries me, i think, is far too much of this now. is happening amongst our colleagues. - it shouldn't be being leaked to the press. | yes. the diplomacy should really be in secret - and behind the scenes. and that's why, you know, one isn't sure where this is going. i but i myself remain slightly. sceptical that it's going to go into a hot place. i'm with president zelensky in kyiv —| i think everybod...

I mean, moscow is saying that, yes, there has been some movement. the foreign minister or foreign secretary said there were some rational elements in what the us had said to...or what the us had proposed. but of course, it doesn't change the fact that there are still more than 100,000 troops on the border of ukraine. the russians have also agreed, or there might be another meeting in the so—called normandy format, early february. so there is some, if you want to call it positive signs, maybe stability, a little bit of stability, but it's also at the same time it's very much that you see that...

The situation even more difficult is that, of course, there are also very different actions being taken by the us and by germany, for example, and the ukraine itself. i mean, the president has said actually, the situation is not as dangerous as some outside ukraine are saying. yes, i mean, that'sjust what i was going to quote. he was sort of saying to everyone, michael, "calm down". joe biden is still saying he expects military intervention by russia, he now thinks next month. has he kind of positioned things well in this particular crisis after the embarrassment of afghanistan? he does at lea...

There are many issues which we don't know yet, including what putin is aiming to do, but what i would say is that while it is relatively straightforward for the west, in inverted commas, to come round with a sort of broad condemnation for what he has done so far, it's much harder in practice. i mean, michael's mentioned london and the russian wealth in london, which is, you know, various governments have thought about extracting in various ways or making it harder for them, but never do in the end, because the money — well, they need the money. and each country has got self—interest. there...